On August 5, 2009, George Anthony answered questions from prosecutor Jeff Ashton concerning the pouring of a concrete pad behind the Anthony house while Caylee Anthony was missing prior to the involvement of law enforcement
Mr. Anthony’s statements may be found beginning on page 215 at the following link:
Jeff Ashton: “Is that a project that had been planned for some time? In other words, had –“
The prosecution asks a question about the concrete pad George and Cindy poured in their backyard during the time period Caylee was missing, but not reported missing to law enforcement.
George Anthony: “Oh, my gosh. For years Cindy and I talked about extending our little walkway, our little patio, something like that. Right.”
Mr. Anthony avoids answering the question. The answer sought is a “yes” or “no”. Mr. Anthony answers with a jumble of words which veer everywhere but to “yes” or “no”.
“Oh, my gosh.” – Mr. Anthony buys time to think of an answer other than “yes” or “no”.
“For years Cindy and I talked about extending” – Mr. Anthony attempts to convey the impression the project was planned, but avoids lying outright by using the verb “talked”. “Cindy and I” did not plan as Mr. Ashton asked, but “talked”. Is talking the same as planning? No, it is not. Mr. Anthony has been talking to Mrs. Anthony “for years”, yet never have they extended. Is this because Mrs. Anthony would not allow Mr. Anthony to extend prior to Caylee’s disappearance? Did they talk, but not agree?
“our little walkway, our little patio” – Sensitivity to the area is shown by Mr. Anthony by describing the same area in two different ways. First, it is “our little walkway”, then “our little patio”. Is it a “walkway” or a “patio”? Who is “our”? We assume Mr. and Mrs. Anthony. Something about “little” is also sensitive as the word is repeated twice. Mr. Anthony is attempting to minimize the importance of the area by referring to it as “little”.
“something like that” – Something like what? What is Mr. Anthony talking about? Is it a walkway or a patio or a something else which is like a walkway or patio, but is not? “That” distances Mr. Anthony from his claim of “little walkway” and “little patio” and talking for years.
“Right.” – Mr. Anthony agrees with his own statement. Mr. Anthony is not sure his statement is factual, so he must review in his own mind, then assert his agreement with the words which flew from his mouth. Usually, this indicates deception.
Jeff Ashton: “Did you actually pour a slab or just put in pavers or –“
Mr. Ashton seeks specifics of the project.
George Anthony: “No. I poured a slab. There’s 27 bags of cement or concrete back there. I did it all myself.”
“No.” – Mr. Ashton asked an open-ended question, yet Mr. Anthony responds “no”. What is he answering “no” to?
“I poured a slab” – Mr. Anthony states “no”, then agrees he did pour “a slab” as Mr. Ashton asked.
“There’s 27 bags of cement or concrete back there.” – Did Mr. Anthony pour “27 bags of cement or concrete back there”? He implies he did, but the wording is tricky. Did he pour “cement or concrete”? Either he does not know or he is sensitive about what he poured because he describes it with two different words. We assume “back there” refers to the backyard, but we are not sure if Mr. Anthony means the patio or walkway in question or the backyard in general.
Jeff Ashton: “Four-inch slab?”
Mr. Ashton seeks additional detail.
George Anthony: “Oh, yeah. It’s pretty thick.”
Is it a “four-inch slab? We cannot be sure because Mr. Anthony also describes it as “pretty thick”, which may or may not be four-inches. The word “yeah” is not “yes” and should never be assumed to mean “yes”.
Jeff Ashton: “That’s a lot of cement.”
Mr. Ashton addresses the fact 27 bags of cement or concrete is not a small backyard project. For a single individual to accomplish this task requires a fair amount of motivation. What was Mr. Anthony’s motivation? Simply to pour a concrete pad he and his wife had talked about for years, but never planned?
George Anthony: “Did it all myself. Yeah.”
Mr. Anthony is proud of his work, as he should be. 27 bags is a lot of work.
Jeff Ashton: “Again, the precise time when you were going to do that — let me rephrase this. Had you prepared the site before that? In other words, dug out the grass, laid out the frame, that kind of thing?”
Mr. Ashton returns to the question of planning. Was this project planned in any way prior to the disappearance of Caylee Anthony?
George Anthony: “Well, it was pretty much already dug out anyhow because all we had were some plants inside of it. We had some, like, lava-rock-type stuff, and it was just a matter of pulling the plants out, leveling that out, putting a little frame piece up and it didn’t
take any time at all.”
Mr. Anthony again avoids as answering the “yes” or “no” sought by the question.
“Well” – This word almost always indicates the following statement is deceptive and will not address the query specifically.
“it was pretty much already dug out anyhow” – The area was “dug out”, but not as part of the preparation Mr. Ashton asks about. It was not completely dug up as indicated by “pretty much”, so Mr. Anthony had to dig out more. “Already” indicates Mr. Anthony is sensitive to the exact time frame Mr. Ashton wishes to know about.
“because all we had were some plants inside of it” – Being already “dug out” is sensitive to Mr. Anthony who must supply a reason for the area being “already dug out”. If someone had buried a small child in the area, then dug her out to move her, the area would also be “already dug out”. “All we had” indicates there was more than the “all”.
“We had some, like, lava-rock-type stuff” – Mr. Anthony acknowledges he told a lie with “all we had” because he now names additional items which were “inside”.
“and it was just a matter of pulling the plants out” – The word “just” indicates there was more to the “matter” than “pulling the plants out”.
“leveling that out” – “That” distances Mr. Anthony from the “lava-rock-type stuff” or the site.
“putting a little frame piece up” – The size of the frame is sensitive to Mr. Anthony who describes it as “little”. It seems unreasonable for the frame a four-inch slab consisting of 27 bags of concrete to be “little”.
“it didn’t take any time at all” – Mr. Anthony is sensitive about the length of time the project took to complete and minimizes it as “any time at all”. Again, it seems unreasonable to state pouring 27 bags of concrete “didn’t take any time at all”. It did take some time. Even a single bag takes a significant amount of time to prepare and pour. Mr. Anthony spent a significant amount of time pouring a concrete pad in his backyard while his daughter and his granddaugther were missing and his wife and son were frantically searching for them both.
Jeff Ashton: “Had you and Cindy specifically discussed the date you would do that, you know, prior to doing it, or was it just sort of: Okay. We’ve got time. Let’s do it now?”
Mr. Ashton returns to determining when this fairly large project was planned.
George Anthony: “With her just being off, with me being off, we just decided to do it. It just wasn’t a specific planned date or something like that. We just: Hey, let’s get it done, so –“
Mr. Anthony insists both he and his wife agreed to pour the concrete by using “we”.
“With her just being off, with me being off” – Both Mr. and Mrs. Anthony are “off”, which we assume refers to paid work. Mr. Anthony did not have a job at the time as his first day at his new job was the day Caylee Anthony was reported missing to police. Mrs. Anthony did have a job, but was off work, marking the coincidence of their being “off” as a specific point in time.
“we just decided to do it” – “Just” indicates this was not how it happened. There was more to the decision to start and complete this project while they were both “off” even though Mr. Anthony earlier stated he did all the work himself, which would indicate Mrs. Anthony’s work schedule should not have affected the decision.
“It just wasn’t a specific planned date” – Again, “just” indicates this statement is a minimization of the truth. They made a decision to complete the project while they were both off, yet Mr. Anthony claims it “wasn’t a specific planned date” even though we know Mrs. Anthony only had “specific planned” dates off work.
“or something like that” – It was not “something like” a “specific planned date”. What was it like? Why does Mr. Anthony distance himself from a planned date with “that”? Mr. Anthony is stating the decision to pour the concrete was not determined by the specific date, meaning it was determined by some reason other than the date. What was the other reason? The initial burial site of a recently moved dead body which needed to be covered over prior to investigation?
“We just: Hey, let’s get it done, so –” – Yet another “just”. This is not all of what they said to each other concerning pouring concrete in the backyard.
Jeff Ashton: “Where did you buy the concrete?”
George Anthony: “I think I got some at Lowe’s. As a matter of fact I got all of the bags at Lowe’s, on 436 by Pershing. I’m pretty positive.”
Mr. Anthony does not commit to an answer. Mr. Anthony does dance around an answer.
“I think” – Mr. Anthony refuses to commit.
“As a matter of fact” – This almost always means the following statement is not “fact” because if it were, the speaker would not need to convince the listeners it is “fact” as such would be assumed.
“I got all of the bags at Lowe’s” – Mr. Anthony brings into question where he bought “all of the bags” by stating “all of the”. Mr. Ashton would have assumed Mr. Anthony bought “all of the bags” at Lowe’s if Mr. Anthony had said “I bought the concrete at Lowe’s”. But, Mr. Anthony distinguishes some bags from others by using the phrase “all of the”. Mr. Anthony may not have bought all of the bags at Lowe’s.
“I’m pretty positive.” – Mr. Anthony’s “matter of fact” now becomes a matter of “pretty positive”, which is not a “fact”. Mr. Anthony will not commit to his answer.
Jeff Ashton: “Okay. That’s the one –“
George Anthony: “Because they had a good deal on it, so we just went and got it.”
Mr. Anthony must justify the “matter of fact” by explaining why he bought “all of the bags” at Lowe’s. This again brings doubt as to where Mr. Anthony bought “all of the bags”.
Jeff Ashton: “Okay. Any other changes back in the backyard during that period from the 16th through the –“
Mr. Ashton inquires about work on the backyard other than the concrete pad.
George Anthony: “No. I mean, around Caylee’s house I know Cindy — we had planted some — I think Cindy planted some flowers around there or something, but nothing out of the unusual. I mean, it’s — we always –“
“No” – If Mr. Anthony had stuck with this answer, his answer would have been strong. However, he goes on to define his “no” cannot be trusted.
“I mean” – “No” means “no”, yet Mr. Anthony states he used the word to mean something other than it means. Most people would define his use of “no” to mean something other than “no” as a lie.
“around Caylee’s house I know Cindy –” – Mr. Anthony is aware of something Mrs. Anthony did “around Caylee’s house”. We are not sure what she did because Mr. Anthony stops himself from finishing the verbalization of his thought.
“we had planted some –” – Mr. Anthony changes his statement from Mrs. Anthony doing something “around Caylee’s house” by including himself in the planting of “some” unknown something with the use of “we”, but again stops himself from completing his statement.
“I think Cindy planted some flowers around there or something” – Mr. Anthony removes himself from the planting by changing to “I think”, which means he will not commit to Mr. Ashton his statement is the truth. “Cindy” again acts alone to plant “flowers” or “something”. What is “something”? Is it additional plants? Is it “something” to confuse cadaver dogs? We do not know, but we do know it is not “flowers”.
“but nothing out of the unusual” – Normally, this phrase is spoken as “nothing out of the usual”, but Mr. Anthony interjects the word “unusual”. Mrs. Anthony planted “something” “out of the unusual”. In other words, Mrs. Anthony planted an unusual item around Caylee’s house. What was the “unusual” item?
“I mean, it’s — we always –” – Mr. Anthony again changes what he means and goes back to “we”, even though he was speaking about Cindy Anthony. This is a further indication the answers which directly preceded it are a deception.
Jeff Ashton: “Were any of them projects that Casey was supposed to be assisting her with, as far as you know?”
George Anthony: “No. I can’t remember Casey helping us out with any of that stuff. No.”
“No” is sensitive as it is stated twice, but weak because Mr. Anthony must state he “can’t remember”, which is yet another signal from Mr. Anthony he does not commit to his statements. Mr. Anthony is lying, he knows he is lying, he knows Mr. Ashton and everyone who hears him knows he is lying, and he is so uncomfortable he keeps inserting rationalizations for his irrational claims.
“helping us out with any of that stuff” – Mr. Anthony stated Mrs. Anthony planted something unusual, but now states “us”. Mr. Anthony distances himself from what Mrs. Anthony did and his own pouring of the concrete with “that stuff”.
We have learned Mr. Ashton considers the pouring of concrete in the Anthony backyard during the time period when Caylee Anthony was missing but not yet reported as such to law enforcement to be significant in the prosecution of Casey Anthony. If Mr. Ashton did not find these actions to be significant, he would not have addressed them in the deposition.
We have learned Mr. Anthony does not want to answer any questions about the concrete pad even though he is proud to have poured the 27 bags of cement himself.
We have learned Mr. Anthony has knowledge of something unusual Mrs. Anthony planted around Caylee Anthony’s playhouse.
We have learned the pouring of the concrete pad and the planting of something unusual around the playhouse were the actions of Mr. and Mrs. Anthony with no participation in planning or execution by Casey Anthony.