Does Cindy Anthony Believe a Car is More Important Than Caylee?

13 Oct

On the day Caylee Anthony was reported missing, Cindy Anthony called 911 three times, only mentioning Caylee’s name on her third call.  The first two calls concerned the theft of a used Pontiac Sunfire parked in the Anthony’s garage.

Why was Caylee not mentioned until the third phone call?  Which was more important to Mrs. Anthony, the Pontiac Sunfire or Caylee?

We will examine a statement Mrs. Anthony made to a detective during the investigation of missing Caylee Anthony on August 4, 2008.  The transcript of the entire interview may be found at the following link.  We will focus on comments made on page 22.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4825294/Casey-Anthony-Cindy-Anthony-interview

“Detective: Okay.  And then uh, George drove the car home and you followed him in your…?

Cindy Anthony: Yes.  And we parked it in the garage, opened everything up, took the battery out of it just in case someone came home to try to get the car we took took the battery out of it.  Never know.

Detective: Someone being?

Cindy Anthony: I don’t know, anybody.  I have no idea, I’m not, I don’t wanna speculate on something I don’t know but that’s our thought was.”

“Yes” – Cindy Anthony followed George Anthony home as he drove the smelly car reclaimed from the tow yard.

“And we parked it in the garage” – The Anthonys did not normally park this car in the garage.

“opened everything up” – An odor of such strength emanated from the car, the Anthonys “opened everything up”.

“took the battery out of it” – The car is sensitive to Mrs. Anthony as seen by the second reference to the car with the use of pronoun “it” in the same sentence.  They parked “it” in the garage, a sensitive action because it was unusual.  They “took the battery out of it”, another unusual action, even more unusual than parking a car in the garage.  Most people would not have mentioned parking the car in a garage because it is a fairly normal act expected of those who own cars and garages.  Taking a battery out of the car is unusual.

“just in case someone came home to try to get the car” – Mrs. Anthony explains why she and Mr. Anthony removed the battery from the car.  “Someone” might come “home”, a significant statement.  Other than Mr. and Mrs. Anthony, only two other people live at the “home”, Casey and Caylee Anthony.  Mr. and Mrs. Anthony were at the home removing the battery from the car, leaving only two other possible people to “came back home”.  At two years of age, Caylee Anthony would not be able “to try to get the car”.  Casey Anthony is the only possible person who could come “back home” and “try to get the car”.  Casey Anthony is the only possible “someone” to whom Mrs. Anthony refers.

“we took took the battery out of it” – Taking the battery out of the car is sensitive to Mrs. Anthony as she has now repeated the statement.  This was an unusual step which Mrs. Anthony felt compelled to relate to the investigator.  She and Mr. Anthony took the battery out of the car which smelled as if a dead body had been in it.

“Never know” – What does one “never know”?  We do not know.  Mrs. Anthony is attempting to justify why she and Mr. Anthony “took the battery out of it”.  One “never know”s.  But Mrs. Anthony did know her daughter and suspected once the bill at the tow yard had been paid and the car was again reachable by Casey Anthony, she would take it.  The car in question is an old, much driven, Pontiac Sunfire.  This is not a car which would have been a target of auto theft by anyone other than Casey Anthony.

“Someone being?” – The detective acknowledges he has keyed in on Mrs. Anthony’s attempt at vagueness by using the word “someone”.  He has picked up on the words “came home”.  He asks Mrs. Anthony to specify the “someone”.

“I don’t know” – Mrs. Anthony states “came home”, yet denies she knows the person to whom she refers.

“anybody” – Mrs. Anthony immediately reverses herself from she does not know to “anybody”.  Now, she does know it could be “anybody”.

“I have no idea” – Mrs. Anthony reverses herself again.  She had an idea it could be “anybody”, now she has “no idea”.  Mrs. Anthony is stating she and Mr. Anthony took the battery out of the car because they had “no idea” “anybody” would desire to take it.

“I’m not, I don’t wanna speculate on something I don’t know” – Mrs. Anthony, who is not a stutterer, stutters.  She does not want to “speculate” about “something I don’t know”.  The detective asked Mrs. Anthony who she thought so likely to take the car she and Mr. Anthony removed the battery.  Mrs. Anthony replies she does not wish to “speculate” about her own thoughts, which she does not know.  Mrs. Anthony does not know her own thoughts.

“but that’s our thought was” – “But” indicates the previous statement was untrue.  Mrs. Anthony does know her thoughts.  “That’s” indicates sensitivity to the thoughts of Mr. and Mrs. Anthony being they had no idea who would take the car.  Mrs. Anthony states she and Mr. Anthony removed the battery from the car because they did not think anyone would take it.

At the time Mr and Mrs. Anthony reclaimed their Pontiac Sunfire from the tow yard, their granddaughter Caylee Anthony had been missing for more than 30 days.  Mrs. Anthony had repeatedly attempted to contact her daughter and her granddaughter with no success.  The car reeked of death to such an extent every person who had contact with the vehicle commented on the smell during interviews with the police .  The cherished doll and indispensable car seat of Caylee Anthony were in the backseat.  The daughter’s purse was on the front seat.

Faced with what would appear to any rational person to be indicators of harmful events befalling their loved ones, Mr. and Mrs. Anthony first park the car in the garage, then open it up to air it out, and remove the battery to prevent “someone” from taking the car.  They do not call the police.  They do not report either Casey Anthony or Caylee Anthony missing.  The primary concern of the Anthonys is preventing “someone” from coming “home” and taking the car.

We have learned on the day Mrs. Anthony reported her granddaughter missing, she was more concerned with preventing Casey Anthony from retrieving the old used Pontiac Sunfire than with the safety of her granddaughter, Caylee Anthony.

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31 Responses to “Does Cindy Anthony Believe a Car is More Important Than Caylee?”

  1. andy October 13, 2010 at 3:09 pm #

    I think she already knew Caylee was in that car and hoped that by filing a stolen car report, the blame for the child’s death would go to whoever “stole” the car. Cindy is too manipulative not to have known what was going on. Sorry, I don’t believe a thing she says.

    • bullstopper October 13, 2010 at 3:48 pm #

      Interesting theory. I agree Cindy could have been sowing the seeds of confusion from the beginning, but she did report on the second 911 call KC stole her car, which would put Caylee’s death back on KC.

      My personal feeling is the first two 911 calls had nothing to do with reporting a stolen vehicle, but everything to do with Cindy establishing control over KC. I do not believe Cindy knew Caylee was dead at that point in the day. The third 911 call is hysterical and I believe she pieced it altogether then, the smell, the abandoned car, the deception, the unwillingness to name who had Caylee. By the time Cindy makes her written statement late the same night, she writes Caylee “was missing”, indicating she no longer believed Caylee to be missing.

      I believe Cindy knew from the moment they retrieved the car something was terribly wrong and KC was deeply involved, from which knowledge Cindy began covering up for KC by washing clothes, removing items from the car, and cleaning the trunk.

      The car was more important to Cindy because the control of the car translated to control over KC which Cindy was desperate to re-establish.

      • jon October 14, 2010 at 9:40 am #

        good points.

  2. B-Man October 13, 2010 at 5:33 pm #

    Although i we love to hate her in this situation i feel for her. i think at the time she couldnt, mentally, put things together. She knew exactly who “somebody” was cause, i dont know bout yall, i never take the battery out of my truck when i park it over night…anyone? so i dont know why she just couldnt say KC it goes beyond reason.

    Perhaps with all the “goings-on” mentally she “broke” and maybe that is the reason behind not wanting to believe that KC murdered (alleged) Caylee and still believes Caylee is alive?

    i think if anyone needed to take Xanex it would be her; she seems high-strung and unable to cope with the reality her daughter has created. Her daughter, although behind bars, still manipulates her…in a sense.

    • bullstopper October 13, 2010 at 7:46 pm #

      And she still tries to control her daughter. Take a look at Cindy’s letters to KC in jail. They are filled with coercion to get KC to communicate with her.

  3. offthecuff October 13, 2010 at 5:46 pm #

    Cindy’s control wasn’t just over Casey, but over the whole family and any perceptions (or misconceptions, Cindy would say) of the troubles the family was having.

    It is sad that Cindy cared more about the car at this point, but that is in part because the car was in Cindy’s possession, Caylee was not. She used the car in the 911 call to pressure Casey into talking about Caylee. It was a threat that she would eventually call about Caylee if Casey didn’t fess up.

    But did Cindy have any real intention to call the police about Caylee? She hadn’t so far. She didn’t want outsiders of authority overtaking her own authority in taking care of family matters, even if there was a crisis at hand.

    The third 911 call was a collapse on Cindy’s part, all guards down. Everything was out of her control at that point, and Casey had to be coerced into telling who had Caylee. Then Caylee was the only person of importance.

    • bullstopper October 13, 2010 at 7:44 pm #

      But by the time she wrote her statement later the same night, Caylee shifted from “is” missing, to “was” missing…

  4. hilbert October 13, 2010 at 6:04 pm #

    The whole 31 days is pretty odd for Cindy – you’d think she would have insisted on seeing Caylee, given the sick need for her to control everyone’s life

    • bullstopper October 13, 2010 at 7:43 pm #

      She tried. KC cut off all communication.

  5. B-Man October 13, 2010 at 6:05 pm #

    very noteable.

    The strange thing about the car was that it wasnt hers to control, form what i have read and understood LA sold the car to KC?

    I definately agree that she had control over the entire family and LA was the only one to escape; thats why it will be interesting once the trial starts…what will he say?

    I think the Caylee thing was a Freudian Slip-unintentional. the 1st call shows panic and the 3rd has realization that it smells like a damn dead body in the trunk. But i am not defending her so please dont misinterpret my intentions:~)

    • bullstopper October 13, 2010 at 7:42 pm #

      Baez made a big show in a recent hearing while questioning Cindy on the stand about the car being registered in her name.

    • jon October 14, 2010 at 9:43 am #

      some of these facts are new to me. Lee sold the car to Casey? Wonder if he ever got paid?

      • bullstopper October 14, 2010 at 10:01 am #

        Lee stopped driving the car because he got a new one. KC began driving the car. Lee claims he sold her the car, but no money exchanged hands. Hard to see how Lee could claim to sell the car because the car was always registered in Cindy’s name. The car was a method of control by Cindy over first Lee, then KC.

        Jose has attempted in court to distance the car from KC by emphasizing Cindy’s ownership of the car. To what purpose? We can’t be certain, but I would advise George to watch out.

        Cindy believed her ownership of the car was her ace up her sleeve when dealing with KC during June – July 2008. She played her ace, but KC trumped it with a dead granddaughter and an abandoned car.

        KC didn’t abandon the car just because of the smell – she drove it for weeks with the smell. KC didn’t abandon the car because she ran out of gas. KC didn’t abandon the car just to create confusion and an alibi – she didn’t really form the Zanny story until July 15th. KC abandoned the car to be rid of the last traces of Cindy controlling her life.

        When KC writes in her diary she has never been happier with her choice and new life, her choice was to ditch Cindy. Killing Caylee was part of getting rid of Cindy, just as abandoning the car and the house.

  6. seeing_eye October 13, 2010 at 6:33 pm #

    It’s my opinion Cindy Anthony believes Casey is more important than Caylee.

    I think Cindy was concerned about the safety and well being of Caylee during the month she and Casey were gone from her home. But I think she was more worried about what would happen to Casey if Casey were to allow harm to come to Caylee (such as neglect, etc.). When she picked up the death-smelling car I believe she refused to allow herself to think it might be Caylee she was smelling. But whatever she believed at that time, she suspected Casey would be in a lot of trouble because of it and that’s why she cleaned the evidence from the car. She was afraid Casey might wind up in jail over something she did.

    So the first two 911 calls to report the stolen car were Cindy’s effort to gain control over Casey so she would tell her the location of Caylee. The excited and very emotional third 911 call was made after Casey had told the fairy tale story of the nanny kidnapping of Caylee. I believe Cindy knew at that point that her worst fears that Caylee might be deceased were true, but that she was now free to report it to the police because she had someone else to blame other than Casey. If Casey had never told Cindy the kidnapping story, I think Cindy would have never reported Caylee missing, but would have made up stories to tell everyone that Caylee had been sent to live with her dead father’s family in another state (or some such other bizarre mistruth).

  7. allaboutme October 14, 2010 at 5:55 pm #

    I find your analysis very insightful, bullstopper! I hadn’t thought of Cindy’s first 2 calls as control-seeking before, nor of Casey’s dumping the car being other than for the smell.

    However, Cindy had gone casually to the office after cleaning the car up/destroying evidence, and they forced her to leave to call LE – which she refused to do at the office, citing wanting to speak to Casey first as her reason. Cindy did not want to relinquish control. I think Cindy and George had hoped she’d say the car was stolen, so they were giving Casey the benefit of the doubt.
    Returning to work the next day would’ve meant that Cindy needed to contact LE — or, being around nurses who know how to handle emergencies, and knowing nurses like I do, one of them would’ve called if she didn’t. Seriously. They don’t take hearing about that situation concerning a toddler who hasn’t been seen or heard in a month by their grandmother whom they live with, lightly. (Also, I don’t think Cindy could’ve “lied away” Caylee’s disappearance from her mother and father very easily. Cindy’s father was emotionally attached to Caylee. If Casey had been willing to move across country, then Cindy could’ve said Caylee was with her there, and Casey could’ve said Cindy had her, but eventually the lies would’ve caught up to one or the other of them. All it would’ve taken is an anonymous tip to LE.) Furthermore, someone would’ve questioned the stench – if they’d tried to have it cleaned by a specialty group, like crime scene cleaners, it’s possible they’d have been questioned or ‘turned in’ anonymously. It didn’t take an Excel spread sheet to know something hinky was going on with that car. JMHO.

    In the best case scenario, Cindy was preparing to retrieve Casey and Caylee and learn the car was stolen, and that the car thief had transported a dead body. In the worst case scenario, Cindy and George had already made the executive decision to conduct car cleaning/evidence tampering-destruction-obstruction acts. They both wanted to maintain family control, over car and Casey and Caylee and any evolving incident.

    But, they faced the reek of the dead body stench pervading the car, and now their garage and home. Using your analysis, Cindy expected to see Casey & speak with her; they removed the car battery out of the car in anticipation of Casey returning home. They didn’t anticipate Caylee returning home to drive the car off. If they were removing the battery, they anticipated seeing a live-Casey; they’d talked to her during the last month. This tells me they’d already discussed the possibility of a dead-Caylee; George may have been relieved to not find a dead-Caylee physically in the car trunk when he opened it up at the tow yard, but he definitely knew one of the two was dead, worst case scenario.
    Knowing their daughter, they knew she’d done something. I think when Cindy drove Casey home, they discussed if the car had been stolen but Casey didn’t affirm this, so Cindy was coming to grips with it. I think Cindy feared to hear from Casey’s lips that Caylee was dead, this gave Casey the motivation to “game” her mother, to continue their “sadistic mother-daughter dance”, and thus the 3 calls to LE.

    • BicPen October 14, 2010 at 9:02 pm #

      That is excellent Allaboutme. Just a perfect analysis of the activities that day and the mind-set.

      And you’re so right about the co-workers contacting LE. Cindy now had a BIG PROB because she spilled to them.

      They would never had let that slide. They had to force her out the door and back home and you’d better believe they weren’t forgetting what she told them.

      • bullstopper October 15, 2010 at 12:05 pm #

        Was Cindy’s return to work an deliberate act designed to cause specific reactions from her co-workers or KC? Or was it an extreme avoidance technique, she didn’t want to deal with the implications of dead people in the car?

    • bullstopper October 15, 2010 at 12:03 pm #

      allaboutme,

      You make a lot of good points.

      I am interested in your statement Cindy and George expected to see and speak with KC and anticipated her to return home, as well as your theory they believed the car may have been stolen and KC had not told them. Logical, although I personally would have opted more towards eliminating the extreme view one of the girls was dead.

      I am wondering why they expected KC to return home. Although KC had been stealing supplies from the house when they were not home, why did they expect her to return and take the car the day they retrieved it from the tow yard? How would KC know they paid the bill and brought it home?

      I have always wondered why Cindy returned to work when she could have easily called her boss, explained the situation, and been given the afternoon off. Her boss was very concerned about Caylee. Obviously, both she and George had no concerns for the safety of KC or Caylee as both returned to work. Understandably, being his first day on a new job, George was under pressure to return, but the life of his daughter and granddaughter could have potentially hung in the balance.

      Your statements have my hypothesizing Cindy returned to work so the house would be empty, inviting the return of the “someone” who would take the car.

      I am also wondering if Cindy and George believed KC had the house under some kind of surveillance. If the car was in the garage, how would she know it was there from a drive-by?

    • Henna June 17, 2011 at 7:01 pm #

      I didn’t really follow your entire thought (it was a little fragmented) but I’ll try and respond here…..so you think people who were the most vocal and proactive and frantic about finding their grand daughter (even calling the police on their own daughter) then had a change of heart and decided to try and cover it up? Simply illogical, and there’s no evidence to suport that. And I disagree with your account (and opinion) of the events as they happened, by the way.

  8. BicPen October 15, 2010 at 12:13 pm #

    “Was Cindy’s return to work an deliberate act designed to cause specific reactions from her co-workers or KC? Or was it an extreme avoidance technique, she didn’t want to deal with the implications of dead people in the car?”

    That’s a great question. Hmmm…

    Perhaps the quick-thinking, all-knowing Cindy was a bit flummoxed is all I can come up with. I think her overall intention was for her and George to appear overall *normal* (just like any other *normal* day and appear as if there was no life or death crisis by going back to work.

    Of course when she got to the office she expressed worry to her co-workers but the fact that she was THERE said a lot. She couldn’t keep her trap shut but she did come in and possibly felt that was enough to ensure the normalcy of that day.

    And about the car and the battery and whether Casey would know the car was there, etc. I think Cindy felt Casey was capable of anything, that she might have *eyes* all over Orlando and could somehow be aware of where the car was at any given time.

    It’s ridiculous, but at that time Casey was a phantom, she was everywhere and she was no-where. So Cindy just didn’t know how or when Casey might slither in.

    They all think like common criminals and it’s hard to get into their mindset!

  9. BicPen October 15, 2010 at 12:15 pm #

    I think when Cindy left work she REALIZED she’d said too much. And I do believe that factored into the 911 calls. She was probably freaking out that she’d messed up and spilled to the office about the smell. But after the fact..

    • bullstopper October 15, 2010 at 1:05 pm #

      And yet still took two 911 calls before getting to the one where she says Caylee’s name…

      • BicPen October 15, 2010 at 1:06 pm #

        Yup, that ranks right up there with “Gimme Tony’s number!” on the scale of callousness.

        What a sickening family.

  10. Diana October 17, 2010 at 8:19 pm #

    I think Cindy Anthony regrets making the 911 calls and if she had it to do over ……she would have kept Caylee missing a “family secret” that she could have held over Caseys head and threaten her with when they had another big fight.

    I just wish the tow yard would have called LE as soon as George took that car home. They had to have known there was decomp from a body since he made the remark about a suicide car smelling the same way. I’m sure this man will be asked why he didn’t contact authorities on the stand, and there should be a law on the books requiring them to do so. We will never know of all the evidence Cindy got rid of.

    • bullstopper October 19, 2010 at 12:47 pm #

      I agree. Cindy regrets the calls. Her intent was to increase her own power with the back-up of the cops, but they took over completely.

    • Henna June 17, 2011 at 6:51 pm #

      I don’t see the logic in your theory. If they were trying to hide their grand daughter’s disappearance, why did she frantically call 911 repeatedly for help? Why tell the cops it smelled like a dead body had been in their daughter’s car? I’m sure decomposition was on their minds…..but when you go into shock (ie. something as inconceivable as your grand daughter being murdered happens) you don’t automatically jump to conclusions without investigating other possibilities. Which is why she urgently wanted to seek out her daughter and make the police question her. They reacted just as I would have.

    • Rhonda June 22, 2011 at 3:27 pm #

      WHATEVER, YOU WENT TO PICK UP YOUR DAUGHTERS CAR AND IT SMELLED LIKE THAT WHAT WOULD YOU DO? AND YOUR DAUGHTER ISN’T COMING HOME FOR 3 4 WEEKS ?? AND SHE WAS RIGHT, CASEY DIDN’T HAVE HER AND THE ANSWER IS I DON’T KNOW? IT’S NOT A MISSING WALLET! OR CELL PHONE IT’S A HUMAN BEING.

  11. Henna June 17, 2011 at 6:47 pm #

    You’re all waaaay off base. Anyone who’s had to call the police regarding a domestic despute knows that the cops only respond urgently if their is a situation of violence or an actual crime being reported. “Making your daughter let you visit your grand daughter” is not an urgent matter to a police department. Cindy knew the only way to have an officer dispatched immediately would be if she used the car theft as an excuse. Very smart. I would have done the same thing for my grand daughter too.

  12. Henna June 17, 2011 at 7:03 pm #

    I thought this page was called “Bull Stoppers”…..I think it should be called “Bull Slingers”. No one on here (including the writer of the article) even had any real information to cite. (I’ll be moving along now and not returning).

  13. Rhonda June 22, 2011 at 3:20 pm #

    CINDY DIDN”T KNOW CAYLEE WAS MISSING TILL AFTER SHE PICKED UP AMY. AMY THEN TOOK HER TONY’S APARTMENT THEN GOT CASEY DROVE AROUND WITH CASEY UNTIL CASEY TOLD CINDY SHE DIDN’T KNOW WHERE CAYLEE WAS … AND THEN CINDY MADE A THIRD CALL ABOUT CAYLEE MISSING. REPORTING CASEY STOLE THE CAR WANTING TO TURN HER DAUGHTER IN SHE WASN’T TALKING. TO GET THE BALL ROLLING ON GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT DID SHE DO WITH CAYLEE OR WHERE WAS CAYLEE?? AS SHE WASN’T TALKING TO CINDY. I WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING.

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