Does Jose Baez Provide Casey Anthony With Sound Legal Advice?

18 Oct

On December 17, 2008, just days after the remains of missing two-year-old Caylee Anthony had been discovered in a wooded area within walking distance of her home, Jose Baez appeared on a national news program with veteran reporter Greta Van Susteren.

Mr. Baez began the interview with a description of Casey Anthony as a client.  We will examine his remarks which can be found in a transcription of the interview at the following link:

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/12/18/in-defense-of-casey-anthony-legal-team-for-casey-with-greta-on-the-record/

Greta Van Susteren: “Jose, there are all sorts of different types of clients. There are some who just tell the lawyer, Just go ahead and do your work. There are some who are much more involved in their case. I mean, how do you describe her as a client?”

Jose Baez: “Well, she’s very involved in her case, and I — but that’s not just her. I try that with all of my clients. I think, first of all, the one knows the most about their case is them, and I try to educate them on a constant basis to — so that way, they’re familiar with the process and they understand what it is that I’m trying to do for them, and that usually makes my job a whole lot easier.”

Ms. Van Susteren begins the interview with a question about Casey Anthony’s personal involvement in her legal defense.

“Well, she’s very involved in her case” – Mr. Baez begins with a word which weakens his commitment to the rest of the statement, “well”.  “Involved” is sensitive to Mr. Baez as seen by use of the extra word “very”, exaggerating the involvement.  The case is “her case”, not the case of Mr. Baez, not his case.

“and I —” – Mr. Baez begins to tell us something about himself, then thinks better of it, ceasing his words mid-statement.

“but that’s not just her” – “But” casts doubt on the previous statement.  Involvement in the case by the client is sensitive to Mr. Baez as indicated by use of “that’s”.  “Her” is shown as sensitive by use of “just”.

“I try that” – Mr. Baez tries “that” which is sensitive to him and he wishes to distance from himself, the involvement of clients in their cases.  Mr. Baez tries, but does not succeed.  When clients know about the legal matters of their cases, things do not go well for Mr. Baez.  Involved clients are not good clients for Mr. Baez.

“with all of my clients” – Mr. Baez tries and fails with every client.  What does he try?  His statement was “she’s very involved with her case”, which does not specify any effort on the part of Mr. Baez.  Where does his trying come into play?  We do not know.  Does he try to involve his clients or keep his clients from being involved?  We do not know.

“I think” – Mr. Baez is not sure about this next statement, it may be true or untrue.

“first of all” – There is more than one thing Mr. Baez thinks and the next statement is the first in a series of his thoughts.  The next statement is sensitive to Mr. Baez as he has prefaced it with “I think” and “first of all”.  Mr. Baez has warned us the statement may not be true and strengthened his warning by stating his sensitivity to his own statement again before making the statement.

“the one knows the most about their case is them” – This is Mr. Baez’s first thought, the client knows more about “their case” than Mr. Baez.  Therefore, Ms. Anthony knows more about her case than Mr. Baez does.  Ms. Anthony knows things Mr. Baez does not.  Ms. Anthony has not told Mr. Baez everything, otherwise he would also know as much about her case as she does.  Mr. Baez defends his clients without having all the facts.  Mr. Baez defends his clients even though they do not share everything about their case with Mr. Baez.  “The one” who “knows the most” is not Mr. Baez.  The cases are not the cases of Mr. Baez, but of the client’s.  Sink or swim, it’s their case, not his.  The clients are his as seen in the previous sentence, “my clients”.  Mr. Baez invoices clients, they are his.  Clients lose cases, which are theirs.  Mr. Baez does not lose cases, clients lose “their” cases.

“and I try to educate them on a constant basis” – This is the second in a series of thoughts of Mr. Baez.  Again, Mr. Baez tries, but does not succeed.  This time, we know what Mr. Baez tries, he attempts to educate, but is not successful.  If he were successful, he would “educate” not “try to educate”.  Mr. Baez is not able “to educate them”.  Mr. Baez limits his educational attempts to “on a constant basis”, which shows sensitivity to exactly how much education he attempts as “constant basis” would be all the time.  It is doubtful Mr. Baez tries to educate on a constant basis.

“to — so that way” – His attempts to educate his clients is sensitive to Mr. Baez to the extent he must explain why he attempts to educate, but when he begins to verbalize his reason, he stops himself and indicates the next statement is also sensitive with the phrase “so that way”, a “way” from which Mr. Baez attempts to distance himself with “that”.  The verbal stop followed by the signpost of sensitivity indicates deception.

“they’re familiar with the process” – Mr. Baez tries to educate his clients for this purpose, so they will be “familiar with the process”.  Mr. Baez limits his educational attempts to the process of the law, not the rights of the client or the defenses available to them, but knowledge of the process.  Not extensive knowledge, enough to be “familiar”.  We saw in an earlier article Ms. Anthony had legal process questions concerning the Grand Jury, the most important legal process in her case to date, for a detective investigating her case.  Was Ms. Anthony “familiar” with the process?  She was aware some of the process was secret, but not the specifics.  Was this evidence of a “try to educate” by Mr. Baez?

“and they understand what it is that I’m trying to do for them” – This is the second reason Mr. Baez gives for trying to educate his clients, who he desires “understand what it is” he is “trying to do for them”.  Mr. Baez’s clients do not understand what Mr. Baez tries to do for them.  They do not understand and their only hope of understanding is to be educated by Mr. Baez.  We, the public, do not understand what Mr. Baez is trying to do for Ms. Anthony.  We do not understand because we have not been educated by Mr. Baez.  Whatever it is which Mr. Baez does for his clients, he does not succeed because he is “trying”, not doing, not finishing, not succeeding.  Mr. Baez tries to do a lot of things including educating and doing “what” for his clients, but Mr. Baez does not accomplish what he tries to do.  The “trying” is sensitive for Mr. Baez as seen by his use of “that” do distance the “trying” from himself.  Mr. Baez does not try for himself, but “for them”.

“and that usually makes my job a whole lot easier” – Mr. Baez distances himself from this statement by the use of “that”.  He is not comfortable with his claim “trying” “to educate” his clients “makes my job a whole lot easier”.  He is not comfortable with his claim clients who “understand what it is that I’m trying to do for them” make his job “a whole lot easier”.  “Usually” limits the statement to only those clients who are not unusual and indicates sensitivity to the number of cases in which his claim is true.  “Easier” is marked sensitive by “whole lot”.  These words put into doubt Mr. Baez’s claim.  Trying to educate clients and clients who understand what Mr. Baez does do not make his job easier.

We have learned Mr. Baez tries often, but does not succeed.

We have learned Mr. Baez believes his clients to be uneducated.

We have learned Mr. Baez is sensitive about his attempts to educate his clients.

We have learned the clients of Mr. Baez do not understand what he tries to do for them.

We have learned Mr. Baez attempted unsuccessfully to educate Ms. Anthony, but she does not understand what he is trying to do for her and she does not make his job a whole lot easier.

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11 Responses to “Does Jose Baez Provide Casey Anthony With Sound Legal Advice?”

  1. Brad 'steel wheels' October 18, 2010 at 1:11 pm #

    No, but she has the right to hire/fire whoever she wants. He’s somehow, by the grace of some evil force, licensed to practice law, so she’s stuck with him. She didn’t want a PD.

  2. Venice October 18, 2010 at 5:00 pm #

    Hey Bull! I just wanted to say keep up the good work! It’s amazing how blog owners are so hateful and are consumed with this case with such arrogance. You have always been kind and I do enjoy your writings. Take care Bull!

    • bullstopper October 19, 2010 at 12:44 pm #

      Thank you for the compliment. I know what you mean about some blog owners. I attempt to foster an open atmosphere here.

  3. 38special October 18, 2010 at 10:32 pm #

    Bull~ I like the way you manage to make Baez almost seem like a genuine atty. I really like the analysis of his statements.
    “well, she’s very involved in her case” , being the eternal cynic, I ‘d like to point out that she is suffering under some major delusions and thinks that she is part of the defense team. Not just a “team player” she fancies herself as important and educated as her “boys” (lawyers).

    “and I try to educate them on a constant basis”, hmmm, well that’s a trip. He seems woefully uneducated in the entire legal process, so if he’s teaching them something I’d sure be interested in what that might be.

    “and they understand what it is that I’m trying to do for them”….perfect, Jose, because most of the rest of the case watchers, fellow attys, and media have no idea what in the he&& you’re doing about 90% of the time. If he can’t comprehend the proper process for submitting motions, if he isn’t ethical in his court dealings, if he can barely string words together to defend a thought or speaking point how can he claim to impart any understanding to his clients. Telling them a load of malarkey doesn’t count.
    “We have learned Mr. Baez attempted unsuccessfully to educate Ms. Anthony, but she does not understand what he is trying to do for her and she does not make his job a whole lot easier.” True that Bullstopper!!

    • bullstopper October 19, 2010 at 12:43 pm #

      It’s not me, it’s the suits which make him almost seem like a genuine atty.

      It’s his legal briefs which reveal he isn’t.

      • 38special October 19, 2010 at 1:34 pm #

        BS…what a diplomat you are!
        Keep up the good articles.

  4. Brad 'steel wheels' October 18, 2010 at 10:37 pm #

    Oh yes, the wise mentor Baez was having Casey “teach him” the law. Almost forgot about that little gem. Would have loved to have heard the high school drop out try to tackle that.

    • 38special October 18, 2010 at 10:55 pm #

      gee Brad’steel wheels’, do you suppose that mental jam session happened while casey was out on bail and did her “internship” in his office? Her, in a mail order judge robe with a spiked collar and a whip in her hand, “teaching” him the law just doesn’t count.

  5. Brad 'steel wheels' October 19, 2010 at 2:09 pm #

    Oh my! I’m actually afraid to think about what went on during her 40 hours a week at Baez’ office. I know they were plotting to get that precious 200k in blood money from selling pics and vids of Casey’s victim, Caylee.

    But yeah, you put a sex addict in a room with a middle aged ego maniac well, 2+2=4.

  6. Nanna Frances October 23, 2010 at 10:46 pm #

    Now I understand what Casey was doing in Baez’s office 8 years a day. He was teaching her the law!

    Remember Cindy Anthony wrote Casey that Andrea Lyon was going to help her become a lawyer. Casey didn’t even finish high school!

    I am so glad I found your website today! I have been reading and enjoying your comments on Peter’s website.

  7. Rosie October 24, 2010 at 5:27 pm #

    Baez certainly isn’t providing Casey with “sound legal advice”… What competent attorney would allow their client to sit in jail for 2+ years – all the while saying they have proof of her innocence???? Obviously, they have nothing!

    He should of advised her to take the plea the SA office offered…..

    Like I said before, they deserve each other… a match made in heaven! LOL

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