During a hearing on February 4, 2011, defense attorney Jose Baez defended his blatant refusal to follow court orders in a long-winded, rambling, verbal assault against the prosecution and the futility of the orders previously entered by the court in regards to deadlines for the submission of expert reports. The verbal nonsense of Mr. Baez may be heard at the following link.
http://www.wftv.com/video/26750720/index.html
Jose Baez: “Well, I… I can answer the court’s questions. I’m really not concerned with Ms. Reich’s tweets. Counsel can keep that. Uhh… she is traveling out of the country. I cannot control if she travels and goes out of the country. Now, as far as the times she was present, I made multiple attempts and I did reach her and I did speak with her. But, upon speaking with her, and I’ve spoken with a couple of experts as we’ve been preparing these reports and I’ve been working with getting them information, I have information that I would like to share with these experts because the state is attempting to, and this has been shown through some of the depositions the state is taking, is they are trying to get experts from one field, one forensic area, to accept those opinions from another state expert in another area. And there’s been a conflict as to whether that’s a proper thing to do or not. And these are the things I’d like to be able to get with the experts together so we can actually discuss it. If… if Professor, I’m sorry, if… uhhh… Kathi Reichs… Dr. Reichs is an issue, I will make all efforts to contact her in… in Tahiti and to ensure that she… that she puts something quickly together as some of the state’s experts have. It’s… it’s not an issue of a comprehensive report because many of the reports that the state’s given us is, for example one is a one-line… a one sentence e-mail and… and Mr. Ashton considers that a report. So, I… I can certainly ask her to put a one sentence or two sentence e-mail, but however if she comes up with new opinions upon meeting with her and which I plan to do with other experts, it… we’re going to have an issue where I want to be able to give that discovery to the state and why go through it twice. And that’s the only reason I ask for the additional time. I think it would be redundant to do it otherwise. But if the court prefers that, I’ll get on the phone, I’ll have her send me an e-mail with… with some outlines of her current opinions pending future… uhhh… future information and we’ll take it that way. Again, this is all… this is all for naught because I… I certainly believe that upon having additional information she’s going to have other opinions. So why do this twice? And that’s the only reason I asked for those limited experts, and we’re talking about three experts here.”
“I’m really not concerned with Ms. Reich’s tweets.” – Just prior to these remarks, the prosecution submitted a print-out of Kathi Reich’s tweets in support of their position she was available prior to the deadline for report submissions, therefore she could have produced her report before she left the country on vacation. Mr. Baez states he is “not concerned”, but adds the extra word “really” which indicates he is attempting to minimize the concern he feels about the prosecution going to such levels to research his possible excuses they arrive at court prepared with documentation his expert was available.
“Counsel can keep that” – Mr. Baez returns his copy of his expert’s tweets to the prosecution in a theatrical attempt to demonstrate he is “really not concerned”.
“Now, as far as the times she was present, I made multiple attempts and I did reach her and I did speak with her.” – Mr. Baez spoke with his expert prior to her leaving the country, but what did he say to her? Did he tell her to prepare a report? Or did he tell her not to?
“But, upon speaking with her, and I’ve spoken with a couple of experts as we’ve been preparing these reports and I’ve been working with getting them information, I have information that I would like to share with these experts” – Mr. Baez changes the topic from the report which has not been submitted by Ms. Reichs by speaking about his conversations with “a couple of experts” which we assume refers to experts other than Ms. Reichs. Mr. Baez has been “working with getting them information”, but has not gotten them the information. Mr. Baez still has “information that I would like to share”, indicating he has not shared it yet. Mr. Baez has been speaking to experts about his desires to share information with them, but has not shared any information with them. Mr. Baez was ordered by the court to submit reports for all experts in December 2010, but after the deadlines for submittal in January 2011 have passed, and as late as early February 2011, Mr. Baez has not shared what he believes to be critical information needed by the experts to form their opinions. Mr. Baez, by his own admission in this statement, has made no efforts to secure the reports required by the court.
“because the state is attempting to, and this has been shown through some of the depositions the state is taking, is they are trying to get experts from one field, one forensic area, to accept those opinions from another state expert in another area.” – Mr. Baez blames “the state” for the fact he has not related the information he deems so important to his experts. Mr. Baez claims the state’s relationship with state contracted experts interferes with his ability to communicate with defense experts. Mr. Baez has learned through state “depositions” some state experts may accept the opinions of experts in another field, much as a jury may accept opinions of state or defense experts in various fields. For instance, the state’s botanic expert may accept the opinion of the state medical examiner the duct tape was applied around Caylee Anthony’s head and jaw prior to the her death.
“And there’s been a conflict as to whether that’s a proper thing to do or not.” – If there has been a “conflict”, what are the sides and who are the opponents? Does Mr. Baez have a conflict with Mr. Mason about whether the defense should attack the state for state experts accepting the opinion of experts in another field? Since Mr. Baez is making this statement in open court, he would appear to be referring to a “conflict” between the defense and the prosecution. Since the conflict “has been”, a verb in the past tense, there is no current “conflict” about this issue. The “conflict” has been resolved. Since the “conflict” is in the past in the words of Mr. Baez, this “conflict” cannot be currently preventing him from communicating information to defense experts. The “conflict” is irrelevant at the time Mr. Baez makes this statement, which brings into question why Mr. Baez felt it necessary to mention. Most likely, Mr. Baez lost the “conflict” as he brings up an irrelevant topic, but does not crow about a personal win. It is possible Mr. Baez is telling the court none of the defense experts will agree with each other because to do so would be improper.
“And these are the things I’d like to be able to get with the experts together so we can actually discuss it.” – Mr. Baez explains he has ignored the deadlines imposed by the court because he desires to “actually discuss” the propriety of an expert in a specific field accepting the opinion of an expert in a different specific field, presumably about the different specific field in which the first expert is not an expert. “Discuss” is marked as sensitive by the extra word “actually” as there would be no other way to “discuss”. Mr. Baez feels physical proximity is required for discussion.
“If… if Professor, I’m sorry, if… uhhh… Kathi Reichs… Dr. Reichs is an issue” – Mr. Baez stumbles around a statement of his lack of submittal of a report by Ms. Reichs being “an issue”. Mr. Baez is aware “Dr. Reichs is an issue” as he is addressing the court which brought this “issue” to his attention and asked him to explain why it remained an “issue”. Mr. Baez suggests his non-compliance with a court order is a non-issue. Not only does Mr. Baez trip over the correct form of address for Ms. Reichs in this sentence, he changes from his earlier reference to her as “Ms. Reichs”.
“I will make all efforts to contact her in… in Tahiti” – Notice this is not a declaration or promise Mr. Baez will contact Ms. Reichs, instead he speaks only of “efforts to contact”, implying he will not be able to “contact” her and does not accept responsibility should he fail in his “efforts”.
“and to ensure that she… that she puts something quickly together as some of the state’s experts have” – Mr. Baez again attempts to shift responsibility for not submitting expert reports in accordance with the court’s order to the prosecution. The word “quickly” is a reference to haste, a concept with which Mr. Baez is closely acquainted. Mr. Baez claims the court is forcing his expert to act with haste despite the more than two months during which Mr. Baez failed to provide his expert with the information he feels she requires and the state’s experts acted with haste in the preparation of their reports.
“It’s… it’s not an issue of a comprehensive report” – Mr. Baez stumbles at the beginning, but this statement is true. Mr. Baez is correct in stating the “issue” is not a “comprehensive report”. The issue is Mr. Baez’s refusal to comply with the court’s mandate he submit all of his experts’ reports prior to the date of this hearing. The issue is also the motion Mr. Baez filed requesting an extension of the deadline, a motion he failed to calendar, then truthfully told the judge he did not believe it was calendared when the judge asked Mr. Baez to explain the reasoning for his request. Mr. Baez is capable of telling the truth when he feels it will suit his purposes.
“because many of the reports that the state’s given us is, for example one is a one-line… a one sentence e-mail and… and Mr. Ashton considers that a report” – Mr. Baez makes his own case worse by implying a one sentence e-mail from Ms. Reichs would have prevented this ridiculous assertion the reason Mr. Baez did not file a report from Ms. Reichs is because he was unable to convince her to send him a one sentence e-mail. Mr. Baez appears to be giving the reason “a comprehensive report” is not the “issue”, but is presenting reasons he feels it should be an “issue”.
“So, I… I can certainly ask her to put a one sentence or two sentence e-mail” – Mr. Baez does not promise to deliver an e-mail from Ms. Reichs, only “ask her”. He will not ask her to send him the e-mail, just to “put” it.
“but however if she comes up with new opinions upon meeting with her and which I plan to do with other experts” – This sentence fragment is exceptionally sensitive to Mr. Baez as he uses two words in a row which mean the same thing, “but” and “however”. Even though Ms. Reichs has examined the evidence, Mr. Baez feels her opinions will change and become “new” if he meets with her in person. Mr. Baez also plans to meet “with other experts”. Mr. Baez is telling the court the opinions of the defense experts, opinions which have been submitted in writing to the court, will change after he meets physically with each expert.
“we’re going to have an issue where I want to be able to give that discovery to the state and why go through it twice” – This is the first sentence in which Mr. Baez hints he may have a valid understanding of the consequences the defense will face by Mr. Baez’s refusal to comply with court orders. Mr. Baez anticipates “an issue” arising after he meets with his experts. The “issue” will be if the defense experts change their opinion based upon information which Mr. Baez may only convey in person, the court will not accept a change in their testimony despite Mr. Baez wanting “to be able to give that discovery to the state” due to the fact the deadlines for submission of such testimony will have passed. Mr. Baez has put himself into a position where he does not have the time to convince his experts their submitted opinions are incorrect. Mr. Baez attempts to state the problem is he does not wish to “go through it twice” with Ms. Reichs, yet he will be going through it twice with the other experts he plans to meet with in the near future.
“And that’s the only reason I ask for the additional time” – There are several indicators this sentence is a lie. “That’s” distances Mr. Baez from the claim of “the only reason”. “Reason” must be questioned because it is preceded by the extra word “only”. If it truly was the “only” reason, there would be no need to assure the court it is the “only” reason. The biggest indicator this sentence is a lie is we cannot be sure to what “only reason” Mr. Baez is referencing since he has spent the last several minutes describing several including his desire to meet with all the experts in person, his expectation the opinions of the experts will change once they hear the information he has not given them, his knowledge there will be an “issue” when he tries to introduce changed expert testimony, and his unwillingness to “go through it twice”. Which of these is the “only reason”? We do not know, but we do know this sentence is a lie. Mr. Baez has multiple reasons for asking for additional time. In addition to the lengthy list he has provided the court, he may have more.
“I think it would be redundant to do it otherwise” – Mr. Baez believes following the court’s order to submit expert reports “would be redundant”. Mr. Baez believes he has the power to determine which court orders must be obeyed and which can be ignored due to redundancy. Mr. Baez does not know if this is true, he “thinks” it is. Others, including Judge Perry, do not think the same.
“But if the court prefers that” – Mr. Baez acts as if he is waiting for the court to confirm the preference despite multiple court orders defining the deadline for submittal of Ms. Reich’s report as a date prior to the date of this hearing.
“I’ll get on the phone, I’ll have her send me an e-mail with… with some outlines of her current opinions pending future… uhhh… future information and we’ll take it that way” – Mr. Baez believes he can submit expert reports, write a sentence about “pending future information”, and change expert opinion testimony closer to or during trial. What does Mr. Baez mean by “future pending information”? According to his earlier statement, he is in possession of information which he has not communicated to his experts. There is nothing either “pending” or “future” about such information. If Mr. Baez withholds vital information from his experts so they were unable to include it in the submittal of their planned testimony, he cannot seriously expect the court to accept his determination to delay communications as a valid reason for a change of testimony after depositions by the prosecution have been conducted.
“Again, this is all… this is all for naught” – Mr. Baez believes the efforts of the court and the prosecution to convince him to comply with court orders “is all for naught”. Whether he complies or does not, Mr. Baez has announced he plans to change the testimony of his experts closer to trial and he does not stand by the reports he has filed to date, therefore all of the hearings and orders have been “for naught”.
“because I… I certainly believe that upon having additional information she’s going to have other opinions” – Mr. Baez stands by his belief his experts will be allowed to change their opinions despite a written report filed with the court.
“So why do this twice?” – This is Mr. Baez’s reasoning for not complying with court orders. He sees no reason to “do this twice”. He appears to have convinced himself the once he does it will be enough even if he misses all the deadlines.
“And that’s the only reason I asked for those limited experts” – The only reason Mr. Baez filed a request for additional time is because he personally does not want to have to “do this twice”.
“and we’re talking about three experts here” – Mr. Baez is sensitive about the number of experts in question as he refers to “limited” in the previous phrase, now defines the number as “three”. Mr. Baez feels he should be allowed to not comply with court deadlines if he complies with the majority of an order.
We have learned Mr. Baez feels court orders are merely suggestions, they do not need to be followed, and even if he follows them, he will introduce changed testimony after all deadlines have passed.
We have learned Mr. Baez believes by not communicating with his experts, he will be able to build additional delays into this trial.
We have learned Mr. Baez thinks he will be able to successfully blame the prosecution for his personal decisions and failures.
Bull Stopper Stops Bull 
Dose anyone ever notice that Baez never brings anything to back up his claims in court other than a verbal rendition of the dog peed on my homework?
I also like what he says about the prosecution sending him one-liners(summary) in an email. I wonder if anyone in his office has learned to open an attachment.
If the dog had merely peed on his homework (i.e. an expert offered an opinion in a draft report that subsequently changed in a revised report based on new information) then Baez would at least have the old ruined homework to show the judge to back up his story that he did in fact do his homework.
BUT, since the dog ATE his homework (no report from an expert) then Baez shows up empty-handed and offers to show the judge the pile of poop that was the homework before it was eaten and digested by the dog.
An important distinction. 😛
I stand corrected! Thanks…I like your approach.
Did he ever meet the Feb. 15th deadline??? I know the 21st was another deadline, but wasn’t there one for the 15th as well?
All I can say is … IDIOT!
I wasn’t in the best of moods when I woke up today, but this helped change that. While reading this I laughed so hard I snorted. I heard him in court as he spoke these words, but didn’t pay much attention to what he was saying. Now re-reading what he said and reading your take on it makes him a true “idiot” IMO GOOD JOB!
Bull- you are a steely-eyed missle man! You honed in on every lie, every obfuscation, and piece of make believe so succintly and reasonably that the mounds of Beaz BS are just about to topple over. A most excellent post.
Bullstopper
Pleeeeeeez no more stories on Jose Baez. Constanly reading the utter rubbish he comes up with is bringing out the worst in me – moods of extreme anger to hysterical laughing to irratability to just being dumb founded. He rants on with no end in sight and switches mid sentence from one topic to the next. He reminds me of a train speeding ahead with no idea of the rail or route it should take.
He wants to give you that impression, doesn’t he, but it’s smoke ‘n mirrors. He’s putting on his “dumb act”, which ‘everyone’ finds easy to believe. However, Bozo’s ‘true purpose’, his ’cause’ is obvious (get Casey acquitted) & his methods are not “Rico Suave”, they are brute force, transparent, like a bull in a china shop.
The fact he’s “getting away” with sticking his middle finger up in HHJP’s & the SAO’s face, & ultimately the FL Taxpayers, is both riveting for its sheer frequency & number of violations, but also for its transparency, & the fact that it’s taBen 2.5+ years to get to this point where the State sees bozo’s “shenanigans” is going to trip them up, delay the start of the trial, & ambush them; two sanctions against him won’t have an impact on a bozo with a ’cause’.
It sheds a light on how flexible the Court seems to be with a “certain caliber” of defense lawyers, or at least this one who thinks laws/legalities don’t apply to himself. JMHO.
He’s getting ready to blow his pea-sized brain. Holy Guacamole!!!
see Line 12: “I’ve spoken to a couple of experts as we’ve been preparing these reports”. Oh, really?
Maybe he should click on the following link and learn what the Rules say. No need to “prepare reports” but more time should be centered on how he and his “team” will cross examine those they disagree with.
http://www.ncstl.org/resources/702
How EMBARRASING just listening to that incompetent fool speak!
Venice-I felt actually rather sorry for him that day. He was responsible for others and they apparently didn’t have much to offer either the defense or the prosecution. How can a discussion take place if no one has anything they really want to share?
When has Baez really had anything to “share”? All he ever does in court is play the prejudicial card. The Media is the Media. Our Judicial System doesn’t stop due to Media coverage. It’s supposed to rise above that, but Baez can’t hang like the Big Experienced Dogs.
His contributions have been a tunnel vision attempt at trying to challenge the Sunshine Law with the tedious whining about kc’s privacy in jail. And honestly I think that was not so much for her as it would have been a real feather in his cap to be recognized for that. Instead of working on her case at hand how many motions did he jam in about that?
The only other thing he’s shared is inflammatory rhetoric. His repetitive mention of race is again curiously his issue, not of any concern to kc or her case. The only reason for his insistence of change of venue has been race oriented. KC has no need to be tried in a predominately Hispanic region to seat a jury of HER peers. He wants the exposure in those regions, bummer for him that the trial itself will be in Orlando. Haha.Jokes on him.
Well, I guess we have to understand the difficulties that he not only has with “experts”, witnesses and criminal procedure but with this defendant. She is a tough nut to crack and more experienced and seasoned lawyers and psychiatrists have all had sleepless nights wondering how to defend and treat them.
Hare says in Without Conscience, “Psychopaths are not “fragile” individuals. What they think and do are extentions of a rock-solid personality structure that is extremely resistant to outside influence.
Clapping for ya Bull! This was a good one.
And what report or evidence does he have in his possession that he must show them all in person? All 3 will so impressed with the mysterious evidence that it will change their minds, change their reports that he doesn’t have yet?
He could have cut to the chase and just said he was going to the forensic seminar even though it’s an inopportune time so that he could nag them to slant their report to his new specifications. Maybe he previously had insisted their expertise support a particular theme, such as the water level and associated relevance but since his water level witness theme took a nose dive..on to another idea??
It’s hard to know what the guy means since no one can understand WTH he’s saying. You are so right, he thinks he can build delays with his refusals to abide by rulings and deadlines. He also thinks that any excuse will be tolerated and believed. I hope he was able to comprehend that by JP’s phone call to the lab, his credibility is shot. His declarations of blaming others has been challenged by the head honcho himself.
Idiot!
I would have loved to be in his little pea brain when the Judge called his bluff and demanded the phone number so he could call him direct and see why he wouldn’t return Baez’s calls. ROFL I think Judge Perry was enjoying proving him a liar and if this gets much worse, I see Baez getting canned and stripped of his law license for among other things, misrepresenting facts which are lies, to the court/Judge. I can’t wait to see that.
Bull, You’ve outdone yourself with this one. Excellent analysis!
maybe he wont pay her either.I HAVE VIEWED A DRUNK LAWYER IN COURT IT WAS AMUSING TO WATCH.HE WOULD GET MY TRUST AND MONEY BEFORE BOZO.
I wonder if HHJP shutters when Baez ambles up to the podium with more of his gobbley d gook…cock and bull excuses as to why he hadn’t complied with what he was supposed to comply with…..(does that make sense? LOL)
anyway Jose manages to confuse the issue and I’m sure that’s his aim……try to change the subject, put blame on someome, anyone other than himself.
HHJP is a most patient and utterly fair judge but he is pushing hizzhonor to distraction and before Jose realizes it…..he will find himself on the receiving end of that famous “PERRY SPANKING” once again.
Infact, it’s getting to be a habit with him. He must be
a glutton for punishment….the Perry way.
It appears that Baez obviously doesn’t trust his experts with their opinions as these opinions may change with further information.
Why not give them all the information they may need up front upon which they can give an opinion that will not change?
He wants them all together to corroborate their opinions? He must NOT have gotten the opinions he’s desired so that he is trying to manipulate his stock.
I agree with Baez…Who wants to have to do the same process again and again until all the stars line up just right?
When Judge Strickland filed a bar complaint against Jose Baez, Ms Anthony felt she couldn’t get a fair trial in front of him so “signed off” on disqualifying him. The legal eagles thought that was “way too risky” but when you think of this defendant the first words that come to mind are “risk taker extrodinaire”.
Now we have Judge Perry and he has sanctioned Mr Baez. There is no appearance of impropriety unless and until Mr Biieez sees the honorable judge dancing the tango with Ms Burdict. What to do?
Drop English. Start all over in Spanish?
Baez Haiku time…
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A piping hot Judge
The attorney sweats. Bullets.
It pleases the court
Haha cute!!!
One of the most amazing things is that Baez appears to just now be assembling his defense case.
It doesn’t sound like his experts have validated any theory yet. I know he’s not obligated to prove anything but he will need to counter all the SA evidence. How can he be fumbling around with crucial information this late in the game?
Was he so sure of his TES fiasco being the Perry Mason stunner that he blew off really working on the rest of things? Maybe it was much more simple, maybe he thought the former team members would do the heavy lifting and his role would be photo ops and pressers and of course sitting in the numero uno chair during court proceedings.
Idiot Savant ( uncanny ability to craft pathetic motions)
Exactly. I think Baez allowed himself for so long to be convinced that various “reasonable doubt” candidates would save Casey’s hide. Zanny, Kronk, Buchannan,whoever Cindy threw against the wall, etc….– he never truly bothered with taking on the States case against Casey.
How many times can one be sanctioned? Does he not care how this looks on his record? He cannot delay this trial forever. She will face the juror’s one day. hopefully in May. I am not so sure Judge Perry will delay this trial because of his ignorance. Or maybe it’s actually stupidity.
I am wondering if perhaps he needs to meet with them in person to convince to fudge their opinions. If he had an expert that gave an opinion that supported his claims about anything he would have turned those reports in ASAP. Makes me think he need to meet with his experts to explain to them how important it is for them to support Cases claims even if iteans lying. That is the only reason I can think of for his need to meet with them to give them additional info that will change their opinions.
I think the same thing.
If the experts he wants to meet with won’t even return his phone calls, he must have done something to make them unwilling or uncomfortable in dealing with him.
Do you mean, done something like ignoring their invoices for services rendered and/or paying them with a rubber check? Or done something like asking them to swear to expert opinions that they don’t actual agree with?
Well, the man did say they were receiving slave wages during the last hearing, which would seem to suggest he sent their invoices to the JAC, and as he keeps saying, many of them are working pro bono (which makes you wonder if Jose understands these are the ones working for slave wages and he is the one paying the slave wages), so in this one instance unlike every other aspect of Jose’s life, payment of invoices does not seem to be a problem.
So, once payment is taken off the table, we are left with Jose’s multiple statements about the information he possesses which he has not communicated to the experts. Apparently, this information is so sensitive, it cannot be transmitted by any recordable method. The information requires a face-to-face meeting with experts who will not respond to communication efforts.
My guess is with your latter option.
Baez should not have been rolling the high seas with Geraldo and a Martini, otherwise the Experts would be there fighting for Casey and not abandoning ship.
Now is the time for HHJP to pull back on the reins..baez is making a mockering of protocal and rules of litagation, time for this judge to give baez a lesson in lawyering 101. I know up to this point this judge has bent over backward to show he is unbiased but this defense has crossed the line in ethics. Time to for Perry to order whatever sanctions are allowed.
It was crystal clear to Yuri M and John A on July 17, 2008 that Ms Anthony acted alone. Mr Baez knew she acted alone. He’s waiting for experts to say it ain’t so.
Sometimes I believe the prosecutors are so confident not only because they have the murder weapon and a boatload of circumstantial evidence but perhaps an eyewitness. The possibility that someone remembered seeing a petite, pretty girl stuggling with a black garbage bag on Suburban Drive after June 16, 2008 would not surprise me.
I always held stock in that story from the man who saw a girl with big red sunglasses (I believe he was picking up cans?) I don’t recall him getting any $$$$$ for his statement. But, in my reality, the people who are humble and have nothing to lose are usually the ones who tell the truth.
At this point, any witness who saw anything would be wise to keep mum to avoid getting thrown under the Anthony bus. If they were in the right place at the right time to see anything then they were in the right place at the right time to be a suspect, right? At least according to the defense team…
If that’s their only defense (suspect by association), then it’s a sad day for defense lawyers.
Kat-Yes, that’s very true. Is it only the defense who doesn’t have to disclose informants?
The defense doesn’t have to disclose informants i.e. the sources of information, unless they plan to call those informants as witnesses.
By way of example, when a high school teacher was falsely accused of sexual relations with a female student, the girl’s brother sold us her diary. The girl had written about her plans to sue the school district for a pile of money after the teacher had been wrongfully convicted. (I think the girl’s brother felt kind of bad about what was happening to the innocent teacher.)
We had subpoenaed any and all of the girl’s diaries as she was the “complaining witness” thus we lawfully possessed the diary even though it came to us through irregular channels. We wouldn’t necessarily have had to reveal how we got the diary because it could be authenticated by means other than having the girl’s brother testify; for example, her handwriting matched, her fingerprints were all over it, and she had to admit under oath during her deposition that it was her diary.
Kat-When Ms Anthony declared herself Not Guilty could she have requested a speedy bench trial? Was the only option a trial with 12 jurors?
Yes, Casey could have requested a speedy trial just like OJ did.
I don’t know the jury options in Florida.
Kat-Okay. Let’s say she wanted a speedy trial. Wouldnn’t the experts and others be compelled to submit their reports on time? The analysis they submit to the court would only be evaluated by the judge – does either side get to cross the experts?
Was the brother given “informant” status during the trial? That was explosive information -did the sister eventually find out he did? If those two questions are off limits, I will certainly understand.
Going back to one of kas’s comment about Cindy helping to advance poi/reasonable doubt. It never crossed my mind but I thought the idea was certainly interesting. What say you?
RE SPEEDY TRIAL: The side that wants to use the expert witness is responsible for making sure the expert witness does what the expert witness is supposed to do. If the expert witness is unmanageable before the trial even starts, most attorneys would fire that expert and hire a different expert to replace him. There are THOUSANDS of experts out there. There are even companies like TASA http://www.tasanet.com/ and HG Experts http://www.hgexperts.com/ that specialize in helping attorneys to locate just the right expert.
PURPOSE OF EXPERT TESTIMONY: The purpose of expert witness testimony is to help the jury understand matters that are outside of people’s ordinary experience. Each side gets to cross-examine the other side’s expert witnesses at trial.
PURPOSE OF EXPERT REPORTS: The “discovery” phase happens prior to trial. In a nutshell, each side is supposed to be able to find out what testimony, documents and other evidence will be used by the other side, to avoid “surprise at trial” aka “trial by ambush.” Also, in a criminal case, the defendant is entitled to discover any exculpatory information that the prosecution may have uncovered including the opinions of all the experts that have been consulted by the prosecution.
To prepare for trial, each side takes the deposition (basically, pre-trial testimony) of all of the witnesses including the expert witnesses to find out what the witnesses will say at trial. Then, if the witnesses testify differently at trial, the prior testimony can be used to “impeach” that witness so that the jury won’t believe them.
Re the falsely accused teacher case: That case didn’t go to trial. After the DA was shown the girl’s diary, he agreed to drop the charges which IMO is the best way to avoid a conviction.
Yes, the girl found out about her brother selling her diary. I have no idea what happened next between them. My best guess would be self-righteous indignation and anger at her brother because he foiled of her illegal extortion scheme, but that may be an excessively “what would a sociopathic Anthony do?” viewpoint. It is possible that the shame and humiliation of getting caught led her to change her ways.
I have a really hard time believing that someone like Kathy Reichs wouldn’t be able to tell Jose Baez her schedule months in advance. This is someone who, when not doing book promotions, is still giving lectures/speaking engagements.
But I also can’t believe she hasn’t spoken up in all of this, especially after the “Tahiti/Twitter” Courtroom fiasco. If someone was using my name in a Court of Law to try to bullshit his way out of not doing his job, I’d be pissed. But I wouldn’t be attached to this case in any way shape or form for the defense either.
Kas-I am glad you saw the video. As you can clearly see and hear Ms Reichs doesn’t have any worries about what is being said about her in Orlando. Of course, if I THOUGHT I was going to be late for work I would call in advance and say so. She hasn’t an anxious Bone in her body. Our poor little victim doesn’t either.
The fact that he says as “we’ve” prepared reports tells me that he wants to be involved in whats on these reports. gee, that’s not how it’s supposed to be done. I think he either wants to influence them or attempt to have the experts “accept the opinions” of the other experts fields as he stated the state is attempting to do. he thinks this my be improper so of course he probably thinks this is a good idea!
He just rambles on & on jumping from one thing to another running it all together. and of course offers no backup to his cliams of what the state is attempting to do.
kas-I want you to watch this video. I would like others to watch it as well-18:05 minutes I think. It will answer many of our questions about who this person is and the seriousness of purpose she extends to all her endeavors. (you’ll only know what I mean if you tune in and watch).
If this video link is incorrect simply Google “Jose Baez and Kathy Reichs” Here goes:
http://www.3news.co.nz./Full-interview-with-Bones-producer-Kathy-Reichs/tabid/312/article
I am really disappointed but will go back and see what I can do. Bull, help me out.
kas, et al who have not seen this video, let me try again by typing the first link again without the period after “nz” and then another link that also has the same video. If neither one works type in at Google with no quotes, “Bones producer Reichs interview in new zealand”.
http://www.3news.co.nz/Full-interview-with-Bones-producer-Kathy-Reichs/tabid/312/article
http://www.scoop.co.nz/multimedia/tv/entertainment/46414.html
Bull-the “scoop” link is correct and will take you to the interview.
Yeah, the scoop link and then “Full Interview”
She doesn’t talk about the case until the very end. MAN, she thinks highly of herself. They got that part of her essence down on “Bones”.
MAYBE HE SHOULD BLAME THE NANNY.LOL.
Well, that is Casey’s story and she’s sticking to it.
kas-I thought the entire interview was rather astonishing and oddly offputting. I don’t know why I came away with a “case of the woolies” but I did.
She is financially well healed and to think her “lab” is filled with remains stored in cardboard boxes. Sounds like she works out of her garage. She has a child’s remains sitting in one of those lovely cardboard boxes since 1989. Just about as repulsive a thought as seeing Casey cry on Ms Lyon’s green suit.
Is this person just someone who signed onto a capital case, accepted the fee schedule and when it’s showtime has nothing to present? Ya know, if I was Casey Anthony I would be crying my eyes out right about now.
Louisiana-In between drilling her index finger into the corner of her tearless eyes she is filling up with rage and screaming, “Where are you Zanny”!!!!!
Well the state wants Baez sanctioned again. woohoo
http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/26942307/detail.html?utm_source=manual&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=casey+updates
“We are a bit confused,” Baez wrote in the email. “I understood it to mean that if we were objecting to anything not in our motion that it should be in writing. That was also my understanding as to what was discussed at the status hearing. I have also discussed the matter with Mr. Mason and he is just as confused if not more.”
😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
Here is the order Baez says he thought said only put in writing what was not in his motion.
Click to access Order%20Memorializing%20Status%20Hearing%20of%20Feb%204,%202011.pdf
I can’t wait to hear what Judge P says about this.
The Jose email attached as the last page of this document is hilarious:
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/26942318/detail.html
LMAO!!
Paraphrased: “Wait….uhm…er…what was I supposed to do again? Erm….and…by..by…WHEN? Ooooh…OK…I guess it’s all the state’s fault then, OK? I…ya know…did NOT hear that or read that the same way…cuz death is different and stuff. Yeah…..umm..its their fault and something and stuff, K?”
Ha-sounds like “Anthonyspeak” to me.
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Bull, my eyes crossed while reading Jose’s “ramble”. You need to put a “Warning”!
Does Baez even know how to construct sentences?? the BAR approved him, and he doesn’t even have grammatical competence????
AND surprise-surprise….GUESS who is off-the-rails pizzed this evening?? 🙂
((ding ding)) If you answered “that mean-A$$ drunk-tard blogger with MAJOR authority issues” you are CORRECT!!
LMAO! It’s just scary funny over there!
okay..I had to go check out the blog ya’ll talk about sometimes. Seriously, it’s like the twilight zone. Where do these people come from? It’s really odd, as if it’s an alternate universe, not simply a different point of view thing.
I think it also must be Troll Central, I believe I recognized a couple. I wonder if they’ve all gotten their tats and refusing to cut their hair in a solidarity effort to be worthy of the queen (CA) and the unfairly charged & imprisoned princess?
Zoe-It’s just scary.
Zoe,
LOL!! Someone called jbmission out on her name-calling. Again…Hypocrisy! She’s such an extreme Hypocrite, that she can’t even recognize it. LOL!! Oh, and the new discovery is Caylee was taught Spanish by ZFG. OMG….LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Conspiracy against Casey??? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone posted this video on confusion. It’s sounds about right. It also sounds like something Baez is stating.
OOPS I didn’t know that video would show up. Sorry Bull.
Hi Shyloh! How are you my friend?
Mr. Mason seems to understand here and he hears just fine. No mumbling either.
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/fla-vs-serrano-defense-closing-arguments-2/6e4fjg6
🙂 Good link!
Good Morning-I looked over last evenings discussion -added my comments to Kat/Kas and read on to find out that Mr Baez may be sanctioned again. I feel it’s almost inappropriate to say “thanks for posting the links” if you get my drift.
How could Mr Mason or any of the other lawyers not come forward and help him out? This is just a travesty of justice to have someone handle a death penalty case in this manner. Feigning ignorance this late in the game is almost unbelievable. I believed early on he was a s/s but with the potential to fight like a bulldog for her. It was brought to my attention that they are tp/p which makes my head spin. I fear no one will want to extend her mercy – ever. God help her.
I agree Anon. Casey, and her family and defense team, have made things just so bad and horrendous that I also believe noone will have any mercy whatsoever for her. She just might get the DP.
Hi Venice!
The Drunktard B**ch from Nola is certainly UNHINGED once again…… 🙂 TOO funny over there!
I know it’s just a pipe dream (she does love that pipe afterall..), but wouldn’t it be refreshing to hear her break down and confess her deep, unrequited love for Jose Baez. Her “true” mission is not honoring some pot-smokin’, law-breakin’ and anti-establishment “mother” or “grandmother” (that “JB” of which she writes keeps changing…oops)! The only one she “honors” is the laughing-stock dumbA$$ and embarassment to the entire world of lawyers…her crush Jose. 🙂
Have a good one everybody! Wishing you only the best, Bull…
In the twisted world of Casey Anthony and in her “backwards sort of way”…..her allegiance to Baez is just another F-YOU to Mum and Dad. Serves them all right!
Precise quote from JBMission’s “about me” statement:
“This is a free thinkers blog which I felt was needed in order to have open discussion without being maligned or ridiculed. If you’ve noticed, name calling and nasty insinuations aren’t tolerated. I’m very proud of that.”
HUH???!!!!! Really???!!!!
And yet—she regularly uses angry, spiteful, derogatory and insult-laden terms to describe ANYONE who doesn’t praise the ground her cherished Jose Baez walks upon. She has a record of libeling two Judges, all of the SAO staff, innocent citizens like Mr. Kronk, the Grunds, Tony L, etc., AND anyone who “dares” challenge her on her BULL-SH*T blog.
Since I know the VOODOO Queen B*tch is still obsessively reading over here (even though she has banned Bull and hundreds of other bloggers–me too–from her blog)….I have a quick message for her:
1. Go re-read your own “mission statement”.
2. Admit you are a fraud and do a rather crappy job at covering it up in the name of “free thinking”.
3. Please do NOT drink and drive. It’s bad enough when you drink and blog!
Zoe,
You hit the nail on the head!! HYPOCRISY AT IT’S FINEST!
also, she is very mean-spirited! I sure hope one of her loved ones doesn’t face tragedy with only a circumstantial case to back it up. What would your view be then dear jbmission???
Zoe,
You are awesome! Great minds think alike, and we see right through that “mission statement”!
Could it be that he’s begging to be fired?
I think that is exactly what all of this has been about – Baez wants out.
Can it be done? If so, how?
I Venice. I am just wonderful, thank you. Hope you are doing well!
I love your new profile picture 🙂 Have a great day Shyloh!
My dear Zoe,
Don’t upset yourself. That person once said,”how sad for them that they are afraid of the truth”. Makes my skin crawl.
She learned from a pro how to use derogatory language and make threats. “I should report some of these fanatical bloggers. I know LE could check IP addresses and see who’s being a little too insistent that I change my views”.
Imagine LE reading his/her blog? The disrespect shown towards every police officer who had anything to do with the death investigation should be fun reading. The disrespectful comments about Ms Burdict-“a rookie no better than Baez” should cause more than one sexual assault victim pause, and the countless nasty comments about the SAO and Mr Ashton. Every media outlet is out to get Ms Anthony. They rely on the media to interpret the facts and neglect to read discovery. They have all The Hinky Meter work relative to timeline, forensic and scientific evidence released posted on her site and never used as a ready resource. Newcomers to the site are given links to her previous articles if questions arise or if clarification is needed!
Allow them their time together.
Kim-I am so happy to hear you are doing well.
I think Ms Anthony holds the key. The judge can’t ask him to leave but Ms Anthony could fire him.
Also, Baez could file a Motion to Withdraw. Despite his grandiose claims, he really is not a death qualified attorney. His presence is not essential to the case. I bet Judge Perry would let him out.
This is the info I have been looking for, Katprint. Thank you!
Next question would be – does Baez know this?
Kat-I can’t understand why anyone would subject themselves to such criticism when all they had to do was withdraw. Not getting beyond the plea should have indicated to him (especially in light of the fact that he also smelled the decomp) that he would have been within the ABA Guidelines/Model Rules 6.2 of Professional Conduct and walked away with his reputation in tact. He could have even worked as second chair and honed his skills to become DQ.
Thank you, Anonymous
I have great doctors and a fantastic support system!!
Soon I will be back to my super model self!!
(lol)
Kim-Take it a day at a time. Eat what you want and rest. Spring is just around the corner.
If I had an address for you, I would have sent you a beautiful bouquet of Roses.
Anonymous: I go back and forth about him wanting to get fired or not. I’m starting to lean more towards his wanting to get JP to lose his legendary Courtroom cool with him. It would be one more example (in Baez’ weird little mind) of someone picking on him while he merely tries to fight the good fight.
To paraphrase his clients’ Father: He likes to push things.
Regarding the Kathy R. Interview, “offputting” is the perfect word for her. I don’t know if you’ve ever watched the show, but one of the recurring jokes is how horrible ‘Bones’ (the character based on Reichs) is at giving testimony in Court. Why? She’s extremely offputting!!!
Kas-I read something interesting over at The Hinky Meter in January. During one of the hearings a Hinky reporter inside the courtroom described Mr Baez as not as big as he looks on TV. Not a big deal. She also commented on his obvious nervousness. I would never think that he was a nervous guy in front of the cameras or for that matter in the courtroom but I did notice how unprepared he was. I couldn’t tell if he was nervous. This was never noted before either from those interviewing him or when he has been center stage saying farewell to one group of lawyers and hailing the entrence of others.
I think he finally woke up and realized that death is different. Does he realize now how foolish it was to use so many disordered people to help him raise reasonable doubt? Was disqualifying the judge a wise move? Does he have the ability to understand the human condition – good citizens don’t like to be underestimated. Tainting the jury pool is what you do when you don’t have a clue what to do next imo.
Did he want jurors who only use their head as a hat rack?
He has no concept of what it means to be a defense attorney. His client should fire him.
Venice-You are truly a sweet person. You know what they say, “support is better than money in the bank”. Well, most of the time.
Thank you so much!! I love the company of good-hearted people, and this blog has awesome people!! I apologize if my frustration erupts over jbmission, but sometimes Anon, it’s too much to take. I take slander and libel very seriously.
Venice- Refusing to read that site’s nonsense is good for my mental health. I have come to realize that “they” are not joyfully alive to the truth or to redemption or forgiveness.
When the trial is over will they attack the first juror who comes before the cameras to discuss what a gut-wrenching experience it was and how their lives will be forever changed as a result of being part of Fl v Anthony?
I’ll never know because morally, intellectually and spiritually I reject everything they have to say.
That was deep reading, and was good for my soul. Thank You!!!
Kat-Thank you for your response. (I didn’t see it until now) Maybe Mr Baez should call TASA. I think he’ll have to get an expert who has a little more seriousness of purpose than the one who is giving forensic presentations aboard cruise liners in New Zealand when reports are needed in Orlando.
I guess she must travel with her kitty. Kinda strange.
I wonder how privy Casey is to what is (actually) going on. Baez doesn’t even go to see her, he sends underlings like Michelle Medina. If all she has to go on is Cable News and the Local Paper, she is getting a VERY condensed, sanitized version of how badly Baez is screwing things up.
You know, when discussions come out about Baez and his whining that nothing is going his way i can’t help but think about the SNL-Dana Carvey/Will Farrel skit about slip, slip, slide. http://snltranscripts.jt.org/99/99pbush.phtml-you can insert Mason and Baez playing the parts, if i had the time i’d make up my own scenario and come-up with my own transcrips but i think you’ll find it just as funny by coming up with your own:-)
Judge Strickland once said the the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers; it would appear to me that Mr. Baez ensures they stay that way?
I think involving myself with Kathy Belich would be a good move but my guess is that she will not succum to his low level intellegence (she holds herself very high and very seperate from us normal folks). My guess is that he wants Kathy to throw the States findings out the window but she can’t open it to do so…
Because i see Shyloh bouncing around here as well i think she could attest the following quote from Valhal:
Best quote of the month by ustwin57: “Here he comes again like that Mad Midget With a Yo-Yo Playing Dodgeball in a Phone Booth. ” He’s is his best/worst counterproductive assistant.
It appears to me that as the trial date comes nearer he is finally accepting that he has no defense; he is trying to grasp at straws but he’s grasping air. He is spending his quality time to dispute what evidence the State has but to no avail.
All: the “you” should be seperate from the destination to view the transcipt sorry about that.
BMan-I clicked on your link but it is unavailable. Maybe next time-I’m a huge fan of SNL.
I used to think October 14, 2008 was the worst day of his life. I thought he cried himself to sleep. Wrong again.
Try cutting and pasting this one:)
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/99/99pbush.phtml
kas-I think she knows everything-maybe not the thinking behind the many slip, slip, slides but when he puts a motion together her name is front and center.
She had to have known that he was using strangers to help him create reasonable doubt. We’ll find out soon enough that the efforts of the real and the pretend friends didn’t do much but nail another nail in her coffin.
She would hear about the c.c. just from reading the newspapers and seeing the local coverage on the nightly news. I doubt he wants to hear about her temper tantrum after he’s recused a judge.
Did she think twice about the attack on Mr Kronk’s character? Did Mr Baez write a letter on her behalf telling him how much his client appreciated his efforts in locating her precious child’s remains? No. Instead he wrote a motion referring to him as a “suspect”. Says a lot about this defendant and none of it is good.
Anonymous: Oh, I don’t think for a second, his methods/tactics bother her one bit. I just don’t want her to be able to claim (believably) that she was not kept in the loop regarding her case. Baez has seen to it that the Anthonys don’t go see her, supposedly for the good of the case, but that was just Baez being dramatic. Even Cindy Anthony could of held her tongue while visiting Casey. She’s awful, but she’s not Misty Croslin’s cracked-out Mom.
That makes me nervous. I can see Casey and Cindy going to town on Baez after the verdict.
Kas-Casey will do whatever it takes to blame someone else for why she is behind bars. That is who she is. Mrs Anthony? She’s been where Baez is now-maybe she’ll take pity on him.
Does she realize how powerless she is over Casey? Will she look around and come to understand that everyone who came in contact with her was touched by her evil? Those with experience and a fair degree of intelligence and insight got away from her before it was too late. That should be the biggest wake-up call for both Cindy and Casey. It apparently never phased Mr Baez for the last year or two but I am sure now he is feeling the sway of his sinking ship.
After watching the behavior of Cindy Anthony over the past 3 years, I thank God for my mother and the way I was raised everyday!!!
I honestly believe that CA is broken, emotionally. Upon finding the car at the Amscot down the street and after her daughter repeatedly told her that she was “out of town” and her mom now catching her in a bold fact lie which is compounded by the smell when they (CA and GA) get the car and the pugngent odor being emitted from the car. Both CA and GA know the smell of death. Both have been around the smell. The guy at the tow yard has smelled the “smell of death”. CA hadn’t seen Caylee for over 30 days and it wasn’t willingly. She called and called her daughter and on several occasions just to speak to Caylee to no avail. When CA/GA got that car home and it smelled like DEATH CA Broke!! It, IMO, explains her next steps in trying to “erase” the smell. She used large quanities of Febreeze and washed some highly suspicious clothes worn by KC. In CA’s mind (IMO) if she rid the smell she ridded the knowledge of death. Her excited utterance is not an excited utterance especially knowing that she is an RN and knows the smell. of course this IMO.
I would disagree.
Cindy Anthony is not broken.
A broken person does not follow a methodical plan to destroy and hide evidence, to submit false evidence in hopes of delaying investigation, of targeting multiple people for death in place of their daughter.
There is no doubt Cindy Anthony is hurting. Her world is shattered. But she is not broken.
Maybe broken is the wrong term. Don’t get me wrong I’m not pro Anthony in ANY respects other than GUILTY!! But her actions post Caylee seem to be indicative of a mother trying to mend past wrongs?? I think her lashing out at everyone but her daughter is/was an attempt to provide excuses for KC. Its these actions that tell me that there was no personal accountability in the house. If KC came home and said the “dog ate my homework” she believed her??
Death is something that breaks people no matter what circumstances surround the death. Even when we know a loved one has terminal cancer we are nevertheless shocked and deeply saddened at their passing. We wish we could have been there-we wish we could have made them one more casserole.For many death robs the mourner of a little piece of their heart. Most people change in remarkable ways when they experience a life event like death. We don’t see that change in Cindy. All we see is someone with nothing better to do with their life but sit in the Orlando Courthouse friendless and alone.
She goes to court and chats with the local media and smiles and pretends that she is attentive to what is happening. She says and does things that most stable people wouldn’t think of doing. She will spend the rest of her life convincing the world that her daughter was a “wonderful mother” because it is easier than admitting she was a gutless wonder as a parent. To me she is broken. Picking up the pieces of her life would mean she would have to admit Casey killed Caylee.
that what i was trying to say but you put it so eliquintly 🙂
Thanks BMan. Your writing is honest and straight forward.I think what is so difficult to understand is how any parent(s) could take the low road when dealing with someone whose psychopathy was progressing.
I think if we look at Cindy as “broken” and Casey as “dangerous” than I think we can come to some agreement on what it was like to live in that house. In your minds’ eye walk into 4937 Hopespring Drive and instead of being in a bright, sunny room, you walk into a home where the sun never shines. Casey walks around smiling and restless, talking fast and excited about the day. When a negative word is said or Caylee starts to fuss think of Casey picking up a whip and resolving the issue. One long stroke and silence.
She is dangerous and both her parents knew it. They never thought she would do what she threatened to do-make sure Caylee would never be part of their lives. They knew that Caylee was in harms way the moment Casey left. Casey didn’t as much as take her clothes. She didn’t have any money to feed the child and no way to buy pull ups. Cindy knew that Caylee was in harms way and never once did she ever call police. Her granddaughter could have starved to death if Casey had her way-instead she wasted no time thinking about who she would enjoy a movie and dinner with that night. Casey was looking for someone to take her in – not Caylee.