On Friday, September 3, 2010, defense attorneys Jose Baez and Cheney Mason finished conducting depositions of close to 35 law enforcement officers listed as Category A witnesses by the prosecution in the case against Casey Anthony accused of the murder of her two-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony.
The two attorneys made comments to the press about the depositions and their feelings about the state listing these witnesses as Category A. The comments may be found at the following link.
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/september/146607/Casey-Anthony:-Defense-plans-to-question-35-officers
Cheney Mason: “It’s the policy of this office to list every single person who drove by and waved. We’re going to wind up taking well in excess of 100 depositions that should never have been taken.”
“It’s the policy of this office” – Which office is “this office”? Mr. Mason appears to be referring to the prosecution. It is the “policy” of the prosecution office to which Mr. Mason will speak.
“to list every single person who drove by and waved” – Mr. Mason categorizes Category A witnesses in a murder trial as people “who drove by and waved”. Where did they drive by? To whom did they wave? Did Mr. Mason actually conduct a deposition of a law enforcement officer who testified his role consisted of driving by and waving? Mr. Mason is both accusing the prosecution of listing law enforcement officers who do not meet the legal definitions of a Category A witness, all of whom the state is required by law to list as Category A, and of ridiculing the standards which the prosecution uses to determine a Category A witness, standards which are not defined by the prosecution, but by law.
“We’re going to wind up taking well in excess of 100 depositions” – How many is “well in excess of 100”? 101? 115? 200? We do not know, but we would assume less than 200 and probably less than 150. Mr. Mason is not happy about the actual number of depositions and wishes to exaggerate it for impact to the press. “Going to wind up taking” indicates this is not the choice Mr. Mason would make if he had a choice.
“that should never have been taken” – “That” distances Mr. Mason from this statement. Perhaps these depositions should have been taken, but as we saw in the previous phrasing, Mr. Mason does not want to take them. Mr. Mason is implying these depositions are not from Category A witnesses, yet the witnesses are listed as Category A.
Cheney Mason: “We’ve asked the state to discriminate on these categories so we wouldn’t have to waste our time and money.”
“We’ve asked” – Who is we? Mr. Mason and Mr. Baez? Previous defense members? Mr. Mason and his legal assistant? We do not know. We do know they made a request.
“the state to discriminate on these categories” – Mr. Mason and other undefined parties requested “the state” to illegally re-define the Category A witness definition and other categories as the definitions are set by law. If the prosecution had granted Mr. Mason’s request, they would have jeopardized any ruling against Casey Anthony by potentially hiding key witnesses with vital information. Mr. Mason characterizes the attempt by himself and other undefined parties to trick the prosecution into a legal violation, possibly resulting in a mistrial, as a request to “discriminate”.
“so we wouldn’t have to waste our time and money” – Since the defendant is destitute and her defense expenses are paid for by the State of Florida, what “money” is Mr. Mason describing as a “waste”? Did Mr. Mason expend personal funds to perform these depositions for which he will not be reimbursed? Mr. Mason makes it clear any benefit derived from the state’s compliance with his request to “discriminate on these categories” would be a benefit only for the defense with no benefit for the prosecution. Mr. Mason is upset the prosecution did not make life easier for the defense at a cost to themselves. Mr. Mason feels deposing Category A witnesses is a waste of his “time” when defending a client who faces the death penalty. Mr. Mason feels spending his time in a courtroom calling searchers from TES who may be potential witnesses is worthier of his efforts than deposing people already designated as Category A witnesses who do have some piece of information, however small, about the case.
Jose Baez: “Apparently it’s office policy to designate everybody,everybody, no matter how minor their role, as a Category A witness”.
“Apparently” – This word tells us Mr. Baez’s following statement is not backed up by any facts, but is a personal conclusion which he desires to publicly disseminate. Mr. Baez wishes his interpretation of the events to be our interpretation.
“it’s office policy” – Mr. Baez echoes Mr. Mason’s assertion the listing of Category A witness is determined by prosecution “office policy”, not by legal requirements. How do Mr. Mason and Mr. Baez know the “office policy”? Do they have a written copy of office policy? Or have they decided between themselves to comment upon a fictitious “office policy” which they feel must exist because it is “apparent”?
“to designate everybody,everybody, no matter how minor their role, as a Category A witness” – Mr. Mason defined the policy as listing only “every single person who drove by and waved”, a much more discriminating set of parameters than “everybody, everybody, no matter how minor their role”.
“minor their role” – These witnesses had a “role”, “their role”. These witnesses played some part in the investigation of Casey Anthony. The “role” these witnesses took in the investigation defines them as Category A witnesses.
Mr. Baez is stating the prosecution office lists everyone who had a role, even if it was minor, as a Category A witness. Mr. Baez attempts to make his statement sound as broad as possible by repeating the sensitive word “everybody”, but subsequent definition declares only those who have a role in this case are designated, not “everybody” in the world.
Jose Baez: “These are people who may have collected something, an item of evidence and then turned it over to someone else. People who showed up and conducted one interview. People who sat in while another detective interviewed.”
Mr. Baez defines the minor roles performed by these law enforcement Category A witnesses. They “collected something” defined as “a piece of evidence”. They “turned” over evidence to “someone else”, another law enforcement officer or forensic agency. In other words, these individuals are vital to the chain of custody for each piece of evidence. If a witness were not to be listed, there could be the potential for an attack on chain of custody for a specific piece of evidence, resulting in its exclusion from trial.
“People who sat in while another detective interviewed” – These witnesses possess first hand accounts of witness and/or suspect interviews. Although they may not have asked any direct questions, they did observe the interviewee, their responses, their body language, and their facial expressions. It is possible they came away from the interview with more or less or a different understanding of the information obtained during the interview. These witnesses are excellent witnesses if the defense plans to attack any portion of witness testimony. Mr. Baez indicates with this sentence the defense in this case will most likely not attack any of the witness testimony obtained in police interviews or if they are, they will not do so effectively. However, an attorney in another case, one who did plan to attack witness testimony, would probably not include this definition as a witness who should not be Category A.
We have learned from the definitions provided by Mr. Baez these witnesses are Category A and listed correctly by the State of Florida.
We have learned from Mr. Mason’s request to “discriminate these categories”, the defense understands and agrees these witnesses are correctly designated even though the defense does not wish to depose them.
We have learned the defense wishes to redefine these categories in order to save themselves time, which they feel is wasted deposing witnesses with real and verified knowledge of the investigation.
We have learned Mr. Mason and Mr. Baez both blame the prosecution for the legalities requiring the defense to depose Category A witnesses.
We have learned Mr. Mason and Mr. Baez feel they are wasting their time and money complying with the law in their defense of Casey Anthony.
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