On August 12, 2008, Jose Baez spoke to reporters after his request to lower his client’s bond was rejected.
Mr. Baez’s comments may be heard at the following link.
http://www.wftv.com/video/17167874/index.html
Reporter: “What was Casey’s reaction?”
The reporter asks Mr. Baez to describe the reaction of Casey Anthony to the rejection of the request for a reduced bond amount.
Jose Baez: “Ummm… you know… she… she was disappointed. But I had… I had explained to her how the process works. Uhh… she’s very in tune as to what’s going on legally. She’s a bright woman. Any reports that… I heard some reports that she wasn’t and I find that ridiculous along with a lot of the other misinformation that’s being out there. She took it in stride, but she knows that the fight is long from over.”
“she was disappointed” – Ms. Anthony wanted a different outcome. Ms. Anthony desired a reduction in her bond amount.
“But I had… I had explained to her how the process works” – Mr. Baez stumbles as he describes his explanation of the “process” to his client. Mr. Baez “explained” how it “works”. Mr. Baez “explained” the chances of receiving a reduction in bond were slim. The word “but” indicates Ms. Anthony was disappointed but not surprised. Mr. Baez set an expectation with his client this motion would be a failure.
“she’s very in tune as to what’s going on legally” – Ms. Anthony has surprised Mr. Baez with her legal knowledge. Although Ms. Anthony is “in tune” with legal matters, she may not be “in tune” with matters other than legal. The degree to which she is “in tune” with legal matters is brought into question by the use of “very”. For Mr. Baez, “in tune” is not the same as in music, where the instrument is either in or out of tune. For Mr. Baez, there are levels of in tuneness. One can be fully in tune or partially. Ms. Anthony is not fully in tune, but “very”. Mr. Baez believes himself to be more “in tune” with legal matters than Ms. Anthony.
“She’s a bright woman” – This is a strong statement. Ms. Anthony is “bright”. What does “bright” mean for Mr. Baez? We assume he refers to her intelligence, but he does not state Ms. Anthony is smart or intelligent. “Bright” may also refer to her emotional affect on others, such as she brightens up a room. Mr. Baez implies intelligence, but we cannot be sure since he does not clearly state his intention.
“Any reports that… I heard some reports that she wasn’t and I find that ridiculous” – Mr. Baez clarifies the existence of “any reports” by stating he has “heard some reports”. “That” distances Mr. Baez from Ms. Anthony being not bright and his claim he finds such reports “ridiculous”. The word “reports” is interesting because it is not “claims” or “assertions” or “fabrications” or “lies”, these communications are “reports”. People are reporting their perceptions of Ms. Anthony in “reports”, some of which may be official documentation. What exactly is “ridiculous”? The “reports”? Or Mr. Baez’s assessment of the “reports”? Or the claim Ms. Anthony is not bright? Or Mr. Baez hearing “reports”? We do not know.
“along with a lot of the other misinformation that’s being out there” – Mr. Baez finds more than hearing reports Ms. Anthony is not bright to be “ridiculous”. Also included is “a lot of the other misinformation”. Some of the “other misinformation” is not ridiculous. Wouldn’t all “misinformation” be ridiculous? Or is Mr. Baez characterizing information as “misinformation”? Mr. Baez distances himself from the misinformation out there with “that”. Does Mr. Baez find the “misinformation” ridiculous or his hearing about it?
“She took it in stride” – What did she take “in stride”? The rejection of the lower bail? Hearing reports she was not bright? Mr. Baez’s explanation this motion was likely to fail? We do not know, but we do know Mr. Baez most likely is referring to an incident which took place at some point when he was walking with Ms. Anthony as “she took it in stride” indicating movement from one place to another. When exactly did Mr. Baez explain to Ms. Anthony this motion was likely to fail?
“but she knows that the fight is long from over” – The word “but” indicates the previous statement is not true. She did not take it in stride. If she had, the word “but” would most likely have been “because”. Ms. Anthony was not happy with the outcome and Mr. Baez has advised her (“she knows”) this process will be lengthy. Mr. Baez did not expect to win the bail motion because “the fight is long from over”. Mr. Baez is fighting with the prosecution and perhaps Casey Anthony.
We have learned Mr. Baez did not believe Ms. Anthony’s bail would be reduced and advised her the fight would go on for a long time.
We have learned someone reported they believed Ms. Anthony not to be bright.
We have learned Mr. Baez attempted to explain to his client her disappointment in his failure was not his fault because he told her “how the process works”.
Bull Stopper Stops Bull 
I don’t think Baez is allowed to jump off this case, but is Mason locked in also since he is the death penalty qualified attorney of record?
I don’t think Baez is truthful with either Casey or Mason. And I think Mason may just throw Baez under the Judge Perry bus in the future.
Mason could conceivably leave as he is not a privately paid attorney as he has never been paid and the new attorney Finnell is death qualified. Jose has been paid. He can’t leave.
However, I believe at some point the conclusion of this charade will become so transparent to both, there will be a serious medical condition race to be relieved of duty. Mason will produce a diagnosis of dementia and Jose will develop a tummy problem.
Watch out, Ann. You are about to get snookered.
It is sad to think that any defendant would have this type of representation. He knew little or nothing about criminal case law and even less about “how the process works”. He was practicing law for only three years when he met Ms Anthony and knew little to nothing about the “process” or criminal procedure. He was and continues to be disrespectful to colleagues and has kicked the rule of law to the curb on countless occassions. He had no business going for a Bond Reduction Hearing after reading the Probable Cause Affidavit. Who the hell did he think he had for a client?He should have told her in no uncertain terms the penalties she was facing-especially if the missing child was never found.Did he tell her that the customary Bond for Child Neglect starts at 10K? Did he tell her that Judge Strickland was given the results of her psychological testing?
Maybe Mr Baez should have listened to Janet Alberson (Prosecutor in Daniel Pelosi’s murder trial) when she said, “Defendants are presumed innocent.Defendants do not have the presumption of intelligence”.
He thinks she’s bright and intelligent. Great. When the trial is over will he be so glib when he describes her “deadly charms”?
Since she was disappointed, he must have not explained the process very well.
Personally, I think he has lied to her at every step.
i see a great big appeal process coming on. and its going to be ineffective conceal. and even thou she has a dream team,boso is in the lead and he is messing up at every turn of the corner even with all this super help he has got. these last pages i read seamed very unprofessional and almost to the same content as the e-mails he sent. if this is any indication to what his defence will be,casey better start getting worried. and JP should be asking some serious questions. Like what have you and this large staff you have been doing all this time IF this is all you can cme up with. state really has nothing more to go on then before he e-mailed them.
“misinformation that’s being out there”. being out there? great way to speak.
I don’t think he’s been truthful with anyone either, that’s probably why so many have jumped ship.
To be completely fair to Jose, I transcribed his verbal comments myself, but it sure sounded like “being out there”.
If anyone listens and hears something else, please let me know.
He is really hard to transcribe because of the endless ummms and uhhhs.
The relationship between attorney and client is, as you would expect, conducted with the same level of mind-numbing nothingness as the two people involved.
Baez takes every opportunity to show his *special* knowledge of Casey Anthony. In this case he wants us to know she’s ‘bright.’ And he also wants everyone to know that he has the inside scoop on her. He knows the REAL truth vs. the ‘misinformation out there’ he mentions over and over.
From the day he paraded ‘his girl’ out of jail the first time, holding her possessively close, he has feigned a privileged, special knowledge of a client who clearly is neither ‘bright’ nor deep, among so many other things she is not.
Baez behaves as though he’s rep’ing some very famous, mysterious person whose adoring public would give anything to be him, with his special access to her. He’s absolutely tone deaf to what people following the case think of her, and his references to being *in the know* about her just add to the buffoonery. If he was even remotely ‘bright’ himself, he’d be hanging his head in shame by now.
I didn’t even have to see his abysmal performance as an attorney both in and outside the courtroom to know right off the bat he was an empty suit. He’s been swept away from the beginning with what he perceives as the star power of Casey. That’s all anyone really needs to know about the caliber of person Jose is.
Even today, he is still playing the misunderstood card.
We have seen intimate details of her life and her dealings with family and friends.
How could we misunderstand her stealing thousands and thousands of dollars from her mother, father, brother, grandmother, grandfather, and assorted friends?
How could we misunderstand the countless lies?
She is exactly what we think she is. Worthless. Total waste.
Well said, Bullstopper, well said…..
well when all is said an done. if i were on the jury, i would have no choice but to look way back to the beginning. caseys very first statement to police,left her with nanny zanny,where she left her,the FACTS,all the lies she told,never helping police or ANYONE find her. Never giving ANYONE any real evidence as to her wearabouts. alot of this evidence may just be smeer tactics on her. But she is the momshe made the choices to lie,and they did find HER(caylee dead) so sorry spindy but yes she is dead. the death band hair of caylee was in that car. unless defence profs otherwise. i would hve to say guilty and stress these points to fellow juryers. just sayin
Nevada-He’s too stupid to “hang his head in shame”. To think that he was impressed with her knowledge of the law. Wow, doesn’t take much to impress Mr Baez. He more than likely agreed that she had an uphill battle but even a casual observer who listened to the nightly news would have put two and two together and known full well that decomposition in the car made this case a very serious one should she decide to go to trial. She thought that if the remains were never found she would never be punished. Of course if the Nanny was never found she would be. Had she been told that death would be an outcome if the truth was uncovered regardless of whether or not a body was found?
Both have magical thinking down to a science.If he couldn’t do it, he should have gotten the “best and the brightest” that Florida had to offer. Sadly he didn’t.
He said on Dec 9, 2008 that Casey was “innocent” and one of the real sparklers he hired (Ms Lyon)called her a “whore” in open court. What a disgrace. Mr Mason said it would be “fun” to represent Ms Anthony and gave a sickening description of walking out of the courtroom arm in arm once she is exonerated.
The lawyers have come and gone like flies. Many are similar to the ones that flew out of the trunk that was Caylee’s coffin.
Anonymous — as despicable as I find the majority of attorneys who’ve been involved in the case, there’s just something so perfect about how despicable, ignorant, ego-driven lawyers have aligned with such a despicable, ignorant, ego-driven client. Don’t you think? They so deserve each other. I predict they’ll all go down in a ball of flames together, hopefully igniting Casey’s parental units on their way.
Just like Jose deserved to be lied to and played for the fool he is by Dominic. Jose lied to the PI, the PI lied to him.
Jose lies to KC, she lies to him. Mason lies to them both, they all lie to each other.
And none of them really like any of the others.
Your comment about too stupid to hang his head in shame reminds me of his interview about his home foreclosure when he hammed it up by telling the reporters next time they want to fly helicopters over his house, just call him and he would give a tour if they donate the fuel dollars to charity. I notice no one took him up on it.
But he was too stupid not to be proud he couldn’t pay his financial obligations.
His excuse was the house is no longer worth what he paid for it, so he doesn’t need to pay the mortgage he promised to pay when he borrowed the money from the bank. He feels the bank, and therefore society, should bear the burden of his poor decisions and financial loss. If we all used his ethical theories, no one would ever pay their car payment as most cars are devaluing at a rate exceeding the debt ratio of the loan. In other words, your car is almost always worth less than you paid for it or owe on it, especially in the first few years of the loan.
The FBA has documented evidence of his unethical and unlawful behavior prior to his admission to the bar. His lisence to practive law was delayed until 2005. I will post the link shortly.
Mason cares more about his ego than any client he has represented. Baez is in this for fame. Casey will fall this Summer.
They are both fame seekers. I think they both drive separate cars to the courthouse because their egos can’t fit into the same SUV.
Nevada-I cannot for the life of me imagine how so many incompetent lawyers all made themselves so available to Ms Anthony. If they weren’t incompetent they were media whores that had no intention or willingness to go to the mat for Ms Anthony. Surely she knows that now.
Delays are always a defendants good fortune and time, although it doesn’t heal wounds, does diminish what both eye and ear witnesses remember.
There will be no delay or time to reflect when his legal reputation is in the toilet. He cannot turn around and blame anyone but himself. At the end of the day Casey deserved each and everyone of them. Dear sweet Caylee paid 89K for him to help her mother. “What a waste”.
Delay is KC’s friend. I am expecting huge drama come May as desperate delay tactics are attempted by the defense.
If Mr Baez is informed by the prosecution that they have an eye witness to the disposal of the body than Ms Anthony will cry copious tears and enjoy years of regret at her impulsive and reckless abandonment of the plea agreement that Mr Ashton offered her in November of 2008.Bull we have often read about a defendant getting a plea bargain or a plea deal but Casey referred to it as a “plea agreement”. Will there be evidence that he discouraged her form taking a plea when all were aware of the fact that by her own admission she was the last person to see Caylee alive? No one but Ms Anthony drove the car and no one Casey new, real or imagined, had any motive to kill her precious daughter. How many registered child care providers in the USA have kidnapped those left in their care? Many have been harmed and abused and a few were killed using Sudefed and other sleep aids but kidnapping them? Not so much.
Nevada-What are parental units?
Parental units in this case are Cindy and George.
I believe the term derives from the Saturday Night Live Coneheads, whose daughter referred to her parents as parental units.
Bullstopper — you are correct. 🙂
Sorry, Anon — didn’t mean to confuse! I should have said: I predict they’ll all go down in a ball of flames together, hopefully igniting Casey’s equally arrogant, narcissistic, none-too-bright parents on their way.
🙂
Thank you. Never would have guessed. I am a long time fan of SNL.
Bull and Nevada, et al
At 5:51pm I stated I would provide a link. I just can’t find it but I have adequate notes. This summation is not to be accepted as complete or even correct. I am hopeful that what I read was right-I copied these notes from the Orlando Sentinel article on “Who Is Jose Baez?”.
FACTS
Graduated from St Thomas Law School in 1998. Was not permitted to practice law for 8 years. The FBBE(Florida Board of Bar Examiniers)and the FSC(Florida Supreme Court)issued an order that outlined his offences:
-unpaid bills
extravagent spending and other financial irresponsibility
(writing bad checks)
-did not pay child support payments on a regular basis and neglected to purchase and pay for his childs’ insurance needs (life/medical)
The FBBE and the FSC said about J.A.B.(Jose Angel Baez)
overall behavior: he shows “a total lack of respect for the rights of others and a total lack of respect for the legal system”. According to the OS it was noted that ten years ago he did not satisfy the character and fitness (moral or ethical I would think)standards that Florida requires of perspective lawyers”.
During the years after graduation and up to 2005 he worked as a paralegal and dabbled in setting up a couple of companies-one apparently had something to do with bikinis. Who knows. At any rate his business ventures were not his ticket to living large and he was hired to teach young lawyers how to access legal research via teh internet. His license to practice law was granted in 2005. Three years later he met his match. (absent the parental units)
After leaving high school he became a father at 17. He received his GED and went on to a local community college, one to FSU and law school. He is married and lives in a home he cannot afford. See Bull’s meaty post above at 11:09am. I think it speaks to his lack of purpose and sincerity.
Anon — I wasn’t surprised in the least to read all that about ‘JAB’ back whenever it was I first saw it. I have to believe the Florida Bar is kicking themselves for ultimately allowing him to practice. What a complete embarrassment to the profession he is.
Nevada-When I see him come into court so unprepared I just have to feel embarrassed for him. Does he not know that although most people watching the court proceedings are not legal eagles but thinkers nonetheless?
He is incapable of internalizing the enormity of this case and it is apparent to me that he does not have the skills, compassion or intellect to see that her constitutional rights are protected.
Had Cindy pulled herself together and for once acted like a human being with blood running through her veins she would never have called Casey “sweetheart” when she is incarcerated for Neglect of a child?
Why didn’t Cindy go over to the jail and beat the crap out of her and demand answers to where she put Casey after she took her dead body out of the car. Had she done that we all might be out of our misery by now.
Because for Cindy, it has never been about Caylee, it has always been about establishing her power over KC.
If we believe that parents are the keepers of their children’s past than I would say that Cindy is continuing to do what she does best-cover up for Casey.She and George knew first hand that Casey was a violent and disturbed young woman without virtue or purity of body or soul.
Casey buried her problem in a swamp and Cindy’s mind went there many, many years earlier.