In late October 2008, Cindy Anthony made statements to the press regarding Caylee Anthony’s suspected location. Mrs. Anthony’s comments may be found at the following link.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17855547/detail.html
Cindy Anthony: “George and I don’t believe that Caylee in the woods or out there. We believe someone has her and that she’s alive.”
Mr. Anthony speaks for both herself and her husband. They do not “believe” which indicates they may not be correct, they offer no proof, and their belief may be questioned by others.
Order is important. Mrs. Anthony first lists “in the woods” as a possible location where Caylee Anthony might be found, the very location where Caylee Anthony was found in December 2008. She then adds “or out there”. Where is “out there”? If Caylee Anthony is not at home, is she not by definition “out there”? Is Mrs. Anthony attempting to convey she does not believe Caylee Anthony is missing?
Order is important. It is more important to Mrs. Anthony she tell the public “someone has her” than the fact she is “alive”. Mrs. Anthony is more concerned with who may have Caylee Anthony than in her life or death.
Mrs. Anthony twice uses the word “that”. The first distances her from “in the woods”. The second distances her from “she’s alive”. Although sensitivity to and a need to distance from the phrase “in the woods” is understandable of any grandparent contemplating the possible discovery location of the granddaughter they fear murdered, a distancing from a statement she is alive is much less understandable.
Cindy Anthony: “Exact spot? We’re getting close. We feel we’re on the right track. We believe and we have from Day One that Caylee has not stayed in the same place for very long. We believe that she’s been moved several times.”
Mrs. Anthony states “we” are “getting close” to the “exact spot” where Caylee Anthony is hidden from her family and law enforcement. She goes on to describe the feelings of “we”. Who is “we”? Still “George and I”? Or does Mrs. Anthony now refer to herself and investigators?
“that Caylee has not stayed in the same place for very long” – Mrs. Anthony distances herself from this statement with the use of “that” and places the responsibility for movement from one location to another on Caylee herself with “has not stayed”. The language suggests Caylee may be moving herself on purpose instead of being moved or dragged or transported by whoever Mrs. Anthony claims has her.
“We believe that she’s been moved several times” – More distancing with “that”. Why does Mrs. Anthony “believe” Caylee Anthony has “been moved several times”? We do not know as she offers no proof and indicates there is none with her use of the word “believe”. Oddly, Mrs. Anthony changes her language from “has not stayed” to “she’s been moved” which shifts the action to another party. “Several times” is interesting as it suggests Mrs. Anthony has knowledge of numerous locations where Caylee Anthony was prior to being moved. Why does Mrs. Anthony feel it important to notify the public Caylee has been in several locations?
Cindy Anthony: “There’s only one reason why my daughter would keep her mouth shut and why she would sacrifice going to prison the rest of her life – to protect this child.”
“There’s only one reason” – Mrs. Anthony has spoken to the press on a multitude of occasions and typically refuses to assign reasons to any of her daughter’s actions. Yet, in this instance, she throws out all possible options other than “only one reason”.
“why my daughter would keep her mouth shut and why she would sacrifice going to prison the rest of her life” – The “one reason” is only applicable because both of these conditions have been met. Casey Anthony is keeping “her mouth shut” and “going to prison the rest of her life”. Mrs. Anthony sees only one possible outcome to the trial if her daughter refuses to speak in her own defense, “going to prison the rest of her life”.
“sacrifice going to prison the rest of her life” – Mrs. Anthony speaks of a “sacrifice”, but uses the term incorrectly. “Going to prison the rest of her life” may be the result of a sacrifice, but it is not what Casey Anthony is sacrificing, which is instead her freedom. To sacrifice “going to prison” would mean Casey Anthony gives up being incarcerated in exchange for not being incarcerated, not much of a sacrifice.
“to protect this child” – Mrs. Anthony assigns a motivation to Casey Anthony’s actions of remaining silent and risking life imprisonment. Mrs. Anthony does not specify how these actions “protect”. Caylee Anthony has become “this child”, which is a strange combination as the word “this” brings Cindy Anthony close to “child”, but the phrase itself distances a grandmother from a beloved grandchild.
We have learned Cindy Anthony was referencing “in the woods” as early as October 2008, more than a month before the remains of Caylee Anthony were found “in the woods” near Cindy Anthony’s house.
We have learned Cindy Anthony knows Caylee Anthony’s remains were “moved several times”.
We have learned Cindy Anthony believes her daughter Casey Anthony will spend the rest of her life in prison.
Bull Stopper Stops Bull 
Excellent reading!
Her little cameo of EXACT SPOT, WE’RE GETTING CLOSE and WE DON’T BELIEVE CAYLEE IS IN THE WOODS, or, OOOPS, OUT THERE………….is priceless 🙂 Thank God for her big mouth 🙂
There’s only one reason Casey would keep her mouth shut? With Caylee’s remains now found, what could that reason be, Cindy?
well, there is a bit of truth in her statements, just the same as in casey’s statements. (she’s close by)
yeah she was moved several times. from where she was murdered to the back yard, to the car & then to the woods. we pretty much know by who.
yes there’s only one reason she keeps her mouth shut & is in prison. she did it.
Mrs Anthony told Amy H. on the way over to Tony’s apartment that Casey was in “trouble”. When they arrived at Tony’s she allowed Amy to walk in first to announce her arrival. If she thought Caylee was at Tony’s she would have broken the door down. When Cindy said, “Get your things your coming home with me”, Casey said, “I’m coming back”. Cindy knew. And in order to keep her daughter alive she started talking when Casey stopped.
Cindy multi-tasks when she talks. She says one stupid thing and then she stops to hammer in another nail.
I like your thinking Anon 🙂
You summarized this perfectly:
“She says one stupid thing & then she stops to hammer in another nail!”
Hi Bull and everyone. Great article. Well we know that Casey gave Cindy and George the information to Caylee’s whereabout’s when Casey said in her jail video to them that Caylee was close to HOPE. You have to really listen closely to tell Casey is saying “Hope” not home. Families address we know is Hope Springs Drive. That is why Cindy had the slip of the tongue trying to convince everyone Caylee was not in the woods. Her mind was focusing on the woods on Hope Springs Drive.
Casey has 13 more Fri nights in the OCJ before jury selection starts and finally there will be justice for caylee.
Excellent article Bull!
I’d go crazy 23/7 lock-up! If I knew ANYTHING to offer LE to get me out of there, I’d be free. Casey must like the food, or something 😉
Casey actually likes being in control for once in her life – one word and Mommy dearest will be exposed for her involvement in the cover up/movement of the body.
I just hope that once this trial is over and Casey is sentenced , They will go after George and Cindy so they cannot continue to live off the murder of their grandaughter !
I re-watched (2) Larry King Live interviews w/the Anthony’s last night. The first one I saw was the night before Caylee’s body was discovered and the second was, I believe, December 23. I remembered watching them at the time and feeling so horribly sad and sorry for these grandparents. Fast forward a few years and see how delusional this whole family is. If that wasn’t pepto bismol worth, I then watched the Memorial for Caylee held Feb 10, 2009 at the eastside Baptist Church. Listening to Zam (CMA CMA…gag), then George and Cindy made me want to throw up a little in my mouth. lol. There is NO doubt in mind mind that at this juncture, Cindy & George Anthony know they will never wrap their arms around their daughter again. JMO
The LKL videos reveal George a broken man and one who cannot speak freely. In the following video we see him speaking freely-he doesn’t say much but he does point out the obvious. All Cindy does is lie. Or as George would say about Casey’s lying, “One lie on top of
another”. (this video was on the eve of her Bond hearing. There is about 15 seconds with Mr BAez and he quickly discounts the immunity rumor.(File under OBG)
http://vodpod.com/watch/1137157-Search-on-for-missing-toddler
GREAT ARTICLE!
If I were Cindy Anthony at this juncture my thoughts would be on if I were going to be free after this trial. Love the fact that there is still an active and ongoing criminal investigation.
Too bad she couldn’t spew her garbage on Oprah! You were really looking forward to that trip, huh Cindy??
I just love that Cindy’s dreams about being some “missing child advocate/speaker” have gone down in flames!! That narcissist will never the respect of legitimate missing childrens’ advocate groups. Everyone knows she is nothing but a fraud who has turned her back on her own murdered granchild.
It serves her right.
when sindy had lee out looking in the bars and KNEW she was out partying, and not where she was lying about being/ or going to be. HOW did she think casey was funding this “vacation”? when there was already contention over thievery? why didn’t she put a stop without visual or something on her accts where casey couldn’t access them? shopping at penney’s ect, is she really that naive? why for gods sake would she have her grown son out looking for her grown daughter but not be concerned enough about Caylee to do a well child call? she was too busy trying to be casesleaze BFF instead of a good parent , much less worry about protecting her defenseless grandaughter. i think they’re both sinister and evil and i also think that george and lee both suffered ALOT more abuse BY cindy and casey than those two have ever dreamed up…
I think even grandma Shirley knew casey had done something when she told LE “Maybe casey hated cindy more than she loved Caylee (past tense) jmho
What I’m interested in hearing at the trial is just HOW Cindy Anthony or the DT will spin Casey’s “employment @ Universal”. Years ago my unmarried daughter and my granddaughter lived with me. There is NO WAY that I wouldn’t have known if she was working or not. For Casey to have been unemployed since the first quarter of 2006 and Cindy pretending she was working just defies logic. She is either the stupidest person on the planet or the biggest liar. Apples don’t fall far from the tree in the Anthony case.
I believe the reason she said “this child” was because it was a form of double statment. She could say the truth and whoever could take it either way. Who is “this child” to Cindy? Who is Casey being silent to protect? I believe she was talking about HER child Casey. She thinks we are fools with all her double meanings, she thinks she is very cleaver and that she can state anything as long as she leaves doubt for it to be taken a diffrent way. She raised her daughter with the spite and malice of a posessive jealous woman and Caylee was a posession of defense for “this child” when grown so who really murdered Caylee? IMO Casey did the hands on murder but Cindy made the circumstances for it to happen, it probably never occured to her that Casey would use Caylee as a permenant punishment and after it happened they covered for her because they had “already lost one child”. She has still yet to admit that she enabled Casey and that she too practiced the power struggle that Caylee was a pawn in. These people are sickos!!!! (oh and then there’s mrs. Geogetta and Mrs.Lee)
I so agree. However, I wonder if Lee has realized how controlling Cindy had become and has this has caused him to step away from the Anthonys completely? We never see Lee at any of the trials or on the news.
Excellent analysis of “this child”. I missed it completely myself. But I think you are right. It is a truthful statement because KC keeping her mouth shut is the only way KC will save herself and Cindy can say it without the stress of lying.
Within in minutes after the third 911 call the story started to hatch. June 9th became the magic day and claimed by KC and family. It seemed convenient to all have the same story but soon got tripped up. The media got involved and Cindy wanted to be the focus. She called the shots and told her family what to think and what to say. Cindy perpetuated the stories and speculation for money at the expense of her missing granddaughter. I’m sure this will be addressed after KC’s trial.
Hi D–
I completely agree that a plan was hatched THAT NIGHT (the 15th). If I recall, even some of the precise phrasing was used on each person’s initial written statement to LE. That June 9th date has always troubled me. Were the Ants trying to imply that Caylee’s “disappearance” was related to Nicole Ganguzza’s June 8th murder at Blanchard Park??! What a sick and diseased family of liars.
BTW, I tried to offer you some support on past threads when I saw you unfairly attacked by a few of the “mission” freaks. Their words were very uncalled for, as your posts about the Ants were totally justified!
Just a little warning from someone who knows what lays beneath the surface of JBMission. Take it or leave it….but the blog’s owner is pretty frighteningly UNHINGED and a loose cannon in more ways than one. A very reliable source informed me that she and a few others are largely responsible for some very incindiary, aggressive and cruel activities/tactics lodged against some pro-Caylee and pro-Judge Perry advocates. It’s not simple “Freedom of Speech” with these people. What lurks under the surface of “harmless debate” is a very dangerous and illegal small group of individuals DIRECTLY tied into the defense. These are desperate defense lawyers employing desperate (and cruel) diversionary tactics. Thankfully, I have not been on anyone’s target radar as I avoid any kind of footprint over there and the other places I have seen them in action. My source is 100% certain about the links between Cindy, Jose and certain “bloggers”.
So…long story short…..stay safe and well!
For everyone involved in Caylee’s justice—–remember that this is an unethical and dangerously desperate defense team and one heck of a vengeful/hateful woman (Cindy).
Peace!
Thanks for this information!!! I sensed this all along!
Someone took your excellent comment and posted it on the jbmission. She is a hateful, mean woman!
When it came to Casey, Cindy’s moral compass went round and round. But in all fairness to the parents, both mentioned to police during the early morning (1:50pm on July 17, 2008) that if something happened to Caylee more than likely Casey was involved. Nothing that happened after they called police erased the lies Cindy listened to for “31 days”.
Sadly, on August 14, 2008 during the video/phone conversation at the Orlando County Jail they must have realized that Casey would never tell them what happened. Casey made it perfectly clear that there would be no further discussion about Caylee when she said, “You guys understand what I am up against. And keeping me here you’re not helping me help myself”.
Sorry for being off topic.
Hi D – I noticed that over yonder at jbmission that you are in the dog box for analyzing KCs psyche. So much for being a premium site where intelligent debate is allowed. IMO a debate is when two parties are allowed to offer opposing views, but of late the only views allowed are the pro-KC ones. The minute anyone offers an opposing opinion jb snaps into snarky mode and the closer we are getting to the trial date the more she is spiralling out of control.
Here is a comment snipped from the jbmission blog from the blog owner herself:
thejbmission
December 11, 2010 at 4:28 pm
I’ve never thought that Richard Grund was a victim. Victim of what? He’s the father of Jesse Grund, ex-boyfriend/fiancee of Casey who has acted inappropriately in the past. His son Jesse once thought that Caylee was his biological daughter and later found through DNA testing was not. I think it’s reasonable, considering the circumstances that he was looked at in this murder case. Yes, LE tapped his phone but they tapped Tony Lazarro’s too and we don’t hear him yelling “victim”.
After reviewing Richard Grund’s background, I’d say he’s a leans a little on the histrionic side and has an extreme behavioral pattern. JMHO as always.
D, if I were you I’d be asking jb is she is a psychologist who has spent any time with Richard Grund. Or does the psyche analyzis thing only apply to Casey? Seems jb is allowed to analyze all and sundry but no one else is allowed to.
Thank you for your post!!! Seriously, she makes so many statements with nothing but slander to back them up!!!!
and that Indygal is nothing but a name-caller. Hypocrite!
Haha – she’s now said that any comments about KCs psyche will go into spam. WHAT A HIPPOCRATE!!!! She can diagnose Richard Grund with various personality disorders even though he has never been accused or charged with a crime but KC is off limits.
I’d love her to explain her double standards but know she won’t … because she can’t.
HYPOCRISY at it’s finest!!!!!!!!!!
I wish someone would go over there and confront her on her double standards but I guess by now everyone has been banned.
This presentation of the lies of Casey Anthony is extremely interesting:
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Man…this chick must not get out much.
WOW….She can really belt out those LIES 😉
WOW! 😯
This is HUGE!!
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Baez screwed up royally by filing the garbage bag motion because he forced the public reveal of this evidence prior to trial.
If you watched the last video, now watch this one and listen for Baez to say they ran tests on it and found “absolutely no signs of decomposition”.
Remember, he had the test results. He knew way back then. And he lied to Geraldo.
Unbelieveable!!! Thanks so much for your posts!
I just can’t wait for the sweet, sweet day in which Jose and Co. go down in flames! Not literally of course! 😉
“The Lying Videos”. Casey is a classic psychopath. According to Hare “Psychopaths are not disoriented or out of touch with reality, nor do they experience the delusions, hallucinations, or intense subjective distress that characterize most other mental disorders. Unlike psychotic individuals, psychopaths are rational and aware of what they are doing and why. Their behavior is the result of choice, freely exercised.” (Without Conscience, p.12)
It is always interesting to go back and listen to Casey’s interview. She only refers to Caylee in relation to who SHE is. I never, ever get the sense that Caylee is a real person or someone worth looking for. Although she is suppose to be the focus of the discussion she is not-phones, imaginary friends with middle names, etc. Her non-stop talking about what she did before, during and after Caylee went “missing” thankfully do not fall on deaf ears. I will always remember how I felt when I read her statement to police where she described Caylee as a “white female”. What an empty vessel.
When Mr Baez was speaking to Mr Rivera both knew that Mr Ashton had additional evidence that he did not have to release to the defense. Maybe Mr Baez forgot to tell Mr Givera that it was bacon grease. That video does document again that Casey rejected a plea bargain. “…only she has to do the time.” (I wonder if there will be many photo ops post conviction?)
Although Rivera might have suspected the prosecution had additional evidence, Jose knew for sure as he had seen the test results as he admits in the video. If he saw the test results, he knew they found the presence of substances which could be linked to decomposition. Therefore, his statement they found “absolutely no signs” is a lie.
The prosecution is not allowed to hide things from the defense. They must have turned this information over and both Jose and Mason knew about it when they filed their latest motion claiming the garbage was not properly secured.
Re: “their motion claiming the garbage was not properly secured.”
I have seen pictures of the trash. I didn’t see any rotting organic garbage components that could have made the decomp smell, fatty acids or coffin wax. The supposedly rotting maggoty pizza, for example, was a fairly clean, empty pizza box.
The defense is displaying a lack of legal knowledge right up there with their not understanding the consequences of a hung jury/mistrial vs. acquittal. There is a legal distinction between failing to preserve evidence which is not exculpatory on its face vs. intentionally destroying/concealing clearly exculpatory evidence.
The defense might win their motion if the pictures of the trash showed a rotting Easter ham (which theoretically could be as large as a toddler) or some other possible source for the decomp smell/ substances. Their motion would have an even better chance if they had some officer testify about having been instructed to discard that rotting garbage to make the case against Casey stronger by eliminating her ability to prove an alternative source for the odor/decomp.
Additionally, there is a distinction between evidence that is destroyed by a government agent vs. evidence that is destroyed by private citizens. Assuming for the sake of argument that some of the smelly stuff discarded by George or the tow yard employee (I forget his name) included a rotting Easter ham that was not retrieved from the dumpster, that destruction of exculpatory evidence was not the fault of the prosecution and thus cannot support a motion to suppress.
The cherry on top is the lack of any explanation for WHY Casey had all that trash in her car. She wasn’t a Meals-On-Wheels volunteer who had her car impounded thus resulting in a large amount of spoiled food. She wasn’t a real event organizer bringing pork ribs for a BBQ. Some alternative source for the decomp smell, coffin wax, fatty acids etc. was really what the defense needed to win this motion.
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I don’t know why it throws some of the comments into moderation… but you are free now. 🙂
What is it about that jacked up, waddle necked, fat ball in a suit with poket hankie that I find so utterly offensive? LOL!
could it be his stained whitie-tighties?
Pocket!
Zoe, Thanks for the acknowledgement. If I ask questions that upset anyone, they always let me know. The issue about blogs being tied or related to the defense as possible spoilers, plants….I don’t find realistic. LE has too much investigative power behind them and would be able to find out if needed. I would think this type of investigation would be at the bottom of their list if at all just like I don’t think Bullstopper, Valhal work for the prosecution.
I am sure that Mr Baez knew a lot more than he was willing to admit to Mr Rivera. For him to stand there and lie to him is, imo, par for the course and although not against the law, it nevertheless was not in the best interest of his client.
I got the impression that Mr Rivera wanted to let viewers know that although the evidence was horrific, his colleague, Mr Baez, had followed criminal procedures and walked his client through the plea bargain process. (It has always been my understanding that she could have entered into a plea deal and possibly said that it was an accident/subsequent cover up. She apparently rejected any deal as well as Mr Lenamon’s mental health defense (NG/ROI)which would have taken the DP off the table.
It is my understanding that prosecutors do not have to hand over everything to the defense. If it goes to their theory of the case than they are entitled to withhold it until close to trial. I certainly could be wrong so will double check. I have a quote but no link to the following: “There is considerable evidence from the duct tape that does not have to be released to the defense.”
This would probably be an excellent point for Kat to weigh in on as I am not an attorney.
However, the last several hearings have indicated the judge believes there is no evidence which should come as a surprise during the trial.
Re: Whether prosecutors have to hand over everything to the defense.
In a nutshell, yes they do.
Criminal defendants have a constitutional right to a fair trial, to “confront” their accusers/witnesses against them, to call witnesses in their own defense, and a variety of other “due process” rights. The Confrontation Clause has been construed to permit defendants to know in advance all of the physical, testimonial and documentary evidence that the prosecution intends to introduce against them so that the defense may adequately prepare to “confront” that evidence.
Additionally, the prosecution is considered to be acting on behalf of “The People.” Therefore the prosecution has an additional ethical duty to disclose all exculpatory evidence in its to the defense even if it (obviously) does not intend to introduce that exculpatory evidence at trial.
These duties are not reciprocal i.e. the defense has no duty to provide all incriminating evidence in its possession, although reciprocal discovery statutes may require the defense to provide anything it intends to introduce at trial.
There is a little bit of gray area with regard to impeachment evidence and with regard to evidence that is neither incriminating nor exculpatory. Most ethical prosecutors err on the side of turning over EVERYTHING which may also have the strategic advantage of burying any tidbit of exculpatory evidence in a document-heavy case like this particularly when the attorneys are too lazy to read through it all and/or too shortsighted to see the big picture. However, there are plenty of appellate decisions concerning prosecutors who decided not to turn over exculpatory evidence because they didn’t want to weaken their case.
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I’m not sure what could be withheld by the prosecution. If it is evidence physical or forensic, Perry let it be known that the experts will have to release what they are going to testify in court. I don’t know how the prosecution could have evidence about the duct tape and not release it under discovery. Perry said there would be no surprises with this type of evidence because it would be thrown out. I’m guessing that it would have to be some circumstantial evidence that was referred to. I have yet to see the results of tape that was in the Anthony storage shed and believe in more damning evidence to come.
My understanding from LDB’s and Ashton’s hearing statements is everything has been turned over at this point to the defense with the exception of anything which has not yet been received back from labs or which is newly discovered.
So, Baez makes noises about the diary being old and just turned over, but the truth is the diary was turned over forever ago and the investigative results which show it was produced and sold in 2004 are new and newly turned over.
I believe any findings about anything which could be potentially tied to decomp in the trunk was turned over to Baez with all other testing results of the trunk.
Damagpets-
Anthony’s Defense, Prosecutors Argue Over Evidence video talks about what can be held back from the defense, what evidence prosecutors have no control over and the all important “protected work product”. Mr Baez want to know Mr Ashton’s theory of the case (by way of the 5 aggravators) but Mr Ashton is not talking. It isn’t long but it is informative. (I left the link at one of Bull’s articles but perhaps you didn’t see it).
What Mr Ashton and Ms Burdict will do is take the evidence that has been shared and is known to both sides and craft a theory of the case-what happened and who is responsible. They will weave the 5 HACs into their opening statement and if done properly, “jurors will hear the screams of the victim”. Dr Weck (sp?) said that when he was interviewed years ago about some famous case-I really can’t recall the particulars but I have never forgotten that startling statement.
Anonymous
I got what you are saying about the work product being the prosecution theory having to do with aggravated circumstance. There is an issue about the Oak Ridge Lab.
I thought I remembered that part of there tests were proprietary and the defense wants that info. I hope that this science after 40 years experience passes the Frye test.
Good Lord….back and forth here and jbmission. It’s like beating a dead horse.
Well I know wich end we are…;-)
the non-hypocritical end.
OUCH!
D-Orlando Sentinel Feb 11, 2010: Casey Anthony’s Defense Objects to State’s request for Private Hearing With Judge Strickland.
If you can research this article at the Orlando Sentinel you can read the entire piece. For now I will give a synopsis….There have been many instances during pretrial that we have had an opportunity to read Supp. Rpts. In these reports we will often read that warrants and affidavits are sealed; contents of evidence goes unreported because what is confiscated is protected by the sealed warrant.In the OS article Mr Ashton is
asking that “certain materials and information have come into the possession of LE” and they (SAO)states that there is good cause to delay the release of materials and information.
Mr Baez was informed of the meeting and he attended and offered his rebuttal comments. He can go on and on about full disclosure but it was brought before Judge Strickland and he makes the final decision.
The video I provided above was a clear and sufficient description of who has jurisdiction over what-it was not entirely about Oak Ridge Labs.
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I remember the in camera meeting when Strickland sealed evidence for the prosecution for approx. 30 days. It was unsealed and released and the media let us know it was the jail house letters and (or) the inmate interviews. Can’t remember which came first. To date the only in camera meeting where the contents were not released was the meeting with Strickland when asked about the money KC and or Baez received in the beginning. If memory serves me Lyon got About $20K and Baez about $90K but there were amounts approaching $300K. Baez explained to Strickland behind closed doors and never has been released to my knowledge. Other than the location of jury selection, I don’t know of anything else that was sealed. Please correct me if I got all that wrong….
Bullstopper,
If I have not said, I appreciate your articles and letting my comments go through. I realize there there are one line hall monitors present but appreciate it all the same.
Thanks Again.
no one-line hall monitors here. just people who don’t condone those who keep the company of people who represent slander and libel. immorality at it’s best. if the grass is greener on the other side….well, then you know.
Katprint-Thank you for your meaty and informative post. You are the legal expert and I appreciate the time you take to inform the uninformed about the shared responsibilities of both sides.
My intent in providing links is simply to point out differences if they exist. Many (maybe the hall monitors)believe that Casey Anthony is being ‘Nifong’d’ and I truly resent it.
I don’t really see any conflict between what I said and the linked videos. I addressed the issue of disclosing evidence and Hornsby’s clip (for example) addressed the issue of disclosing what a prosecutor is thinking and planning.
Similarly, the prosecution has no duty to disclose evidence they don’t posses even if they intend to introduce it if/when it comes into their possession (such as a missing dead body or test results from a federal or out-of-state lab.) However, at some point that evidence – or as much information as they have about the existence of the evidence such as who currently possesses the evidence or will be expected to testify about the evidence) must come into their possession if it is going to be admitted at trial and at that point they have to disclose it to the defense.
I don’t believe anyone TRULY believes Casey is being Nifong’d. I believe there are a lot of people out there engaging in attention-seeking and/or money-making behaviors. Some people just like to stir up trouble.
Kat,
I appreciate your insights into the world of law.
I agree with everything you have written about the submission of evidence by the prosecution to the defense.
Do you believe Jose knew at the time of the Geraldo interview fatty acids were found in the stain? If so, I can imagine the meaning of those findings might be beyond the scientific expertise of Jose, but making a national TV statement about “absolutely no signs” probably should have been run through a defense expert prior to the statement being made?
But giving Baez the benefit of the doubt and allowing for his inexperience, in today’s article I link to the newest defense motion which includes the statement “The same FBI laboratory concluded that the trunk liner carpet had no biological evidence in or on it”. How do you feel about this statement? Knowing Jeff Ashton has stated fatty acids were found, is this statement a lie? A matter of perspective? Verbal trickery based upon specific legal definitions? Do you foresee any legal consequences of including such a controversial sentence in a legal motion?
Baez has a history of taking a very limited fact and grandiosely exaggerating it way out of proportion. IMO Baez was referring to the absence of DNA (at least none in sufficient quantities per the forensic testing reliability threshholds) in the coffin wax and/or the carpet liner with his “no biological evidence” statement. Therein lies the problem: Baez does not understand why the coffin wax and the opportunistic micro-organisms causing the stain outline do not contain human DNA, nor should they.
My honest assessment is that Baez simply lacks knowledge of essential scientific basics such as what DNA actually is, what part of a cell contains DNA, what parts of a cell DO NOT contain DNA (such as the various types of lipid layers), that all organic matter does not necessarily contain DNA, etc. He fails to grasp the physics of how Casey’s car became a grisly decomp solar-still which evaporated fluids from Caylee’s corpse during the daytime in the hot Florida summer sun then those fluids condensed at night, dripped down the outside of the bag containing Caylee’s remains and nourished micro-organisms in the carpet liner.
I don’t think Baez would know a fatty acid if it bit him on his fatty ass. He’s probably Googling it right now.
D-You are right.
When sneaky pete’s are at the party it’s always a good idea to keep the conversation civilized, informative and truthful. Eventually they get bored and walk away.
Please correct me if I’m wrong. D, I think it was you that was discussing this some time back … while all the discovery has to be turned over to the defence it doesn’t necessarily mean that it was purchased by the media and released. Is it not then possible that we have not yet seen everything?
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I don’t believe the media bought every piece. At this stage the media would probably buy the most sensational docs. Two things, WFTV really slowed down from purchasing and posting. Wesh and CFnews13 kind of picked up the slack. It’s not cheap to follow a trial like this.
JustAcomment-I think there will be additional discovery and probably some will be republished docs and videos. I would think though that Mr Ashton and Ms Burdict have their circumstantial case in order and are moving forward to jury selection. Tomorrow’s hearing should be interesting.
Thanks D and Anonymous. I am sure we can rest assured that despite us not seeing it all the defence has.
Katprint – I would think that Mason would help Baez to interpret the informtion especially this being such a high profile case. One thing that has worried me all along is that taking into account the number of pro-bono high profile lawyers working on this case that Baez shouldn’t be struggling to the extent that he is. He has a duty to defend KC so why doesn’t he enlist the help he so desperately needs.
I don’t disagree that Mason SHOULD be helping Baez more with this stuff, and I’m not sure why that isn’t happening. Based on Baez’ really terrible inadequate Expert Witness disclosures, failure to get his motions on calendar to be heard (the functional equivalent of not having filed them and/or having them denied), comments by attorneys who bailed, Baez’ own statements insisting Baez is the LEAD ATTORNEY despite obviously not having sufficient experience to be death qualified, etc. ad nauseum, I have come to the conclusion that Baez is simply too incompetent to recognize that he needs help and too arrogant to ask for help when needed.
I remember when Padilla’s female friend stated that KC freaked when she got near the window in KC’s bedroom while out on bond? I wonder if the bedroom window faced the spot Caylee was found in?
Call me crazy, but I have always held stock in Padilla. I have a sense of good people, and I view him as one. Sorry if I infuriated anyone.
ITA! Though I hated him with a passion when he said he was coming to bond KC out but imho he’s a good guy and he’s proved it the whole time!Once he knew HorseFace had no interest in finding her own daughter he did what the good sheppard did,he got the flock outta there!
KC tels him to get out of her house after he’s the only one who got her out,remember the jail visit when SINdy tells her what the reward is she says
“thats half my bond” I need out to help find Caylee and dumbo SINdy still thinks she’s innocent.the whoke family is nucking futs!