More than a year after Caylee Anthony was reported missing to law enforcement and her mother, Casey Anthony, became entangled in multiple criminal charges for her actions during the 31 days she did not report her daughter missing, two of her defense attorneys appeared on national television on October 2, 2009, to plead her case to the public. A comment made during the interview by her lead attorney, Jose Baez, may be found at the following link.
http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/10/video-casey-anthony-lawyers-on.html
“What they’re lacking in this situation with all that’s coming out is any forensic evidence,” Baez said. “That’s the problem with the case; there’s not enough to substantiate these charges.”
“What they’re lacking” – Who is “they”? We assume “they” is the prosecution, although it could be law enforcement or the public or another unknown “they”.
“lacking in this situation” – “They” are “lacking”, meaning they do not have something Mr. Baez believes “they” need. Mr. Baez limits his comment to “this situation”, a “situation” which is close to him and comfortable as seen by the use of “this”. Mr. Baez is part of “this situation” and he is fine with it, especially as he comments on a nationally televised program.
“with all that’s coming out” – Information which Mr. Baez believes to be a large amount is “coming out”. From where is it “coming out”? “That’s” indicates Mr. Baez is not comfortable with the information “coming out”, even though he is comfortable being in “this situation”. The information “coming out” causes Mr. Baez distress.
“is any forensic evidence” – Mr. Baez claims no “forensic evidence” is “coming out”. The extra word “any” indicates “forensic evidence” is sensitive to Mr. Baez. At the time this comment was made, the findings of the Oakridge Laboratory from the testing of Ms. Anthony’s car had been released to the public via the Sunshine Laws in Florida. As of the writing of this article, Mr. Baez continues to try to exclude the Oakridge findings from trial, so far with no success. It seems Mr. Baez’s claim on national television no “forensic evidence” had come “out” at the time of his statement is incorrect. Typically, one would assume the remains of Caylee Anthony which were found strewn across miles of wooded land near the Anthony house ten months prior to this statement were also “forensic evidence”, but Mr. Baez apparently does not believe her skeleton, the items found with her such a duct tape, the plants growing through her, or the insects living in her to be “forensic evidence”.
“That’s the problem with the case” – What is the “problem with the case”? Mr. Baez claims the lack of “any forensic evidence” to be a problem, but distances himself from this statement with the word “That’s”. How is “that” “the problem”? Would any other defense attorney find a lack of “forensic evidence” against his client to be a “problem”? Wouldn’t most defense attorneys find such a “situation” as “this” to be an advantage, not a “problem”? If nothing being released to the public is “forensic evidence”, why does Mr. Baez have a “problem”?
“there’s not enough to substantiate these charges” – If there was truly “not enough to substantiate these charges” would Casey Anthony be in jail? This statement is false. It would have had more validity if Mr. Baez had said “there’s not enough to substantiate” a conviction, as Ms. Anthony’s incarceration until trial is proof there is “enough to substantiate” the charges.
As many of the experts employed by Mr. Baez to counter various pieces of “forensic evidence” which will be presented at trial have departed from the defense team and yet others are no longer communicating with Mr. Baez, it would seem reasonable to assume these experts felt they could not counter the “forensic evidence” filed by the State of Florida. Therefore, the former and some of the current expert members of the defense team do believe “forensic evidence” exists which will damage the defense.
We have learned Mr. Baez makes comments on national television which do not fit the facts of the case as known by the public.
We have learned Mr. Baez may not understand the term “forensic evidence” or how such may hinder his efforts to defend his client or how a lack of “forensic evidence” should not be a problem for the defense.
We have learned Mr. Baez does not understand the minimum legal requirements to substantiate criminal charges and hold his client in jail pending trial.
Bull Stopper Stops Bull 
Well it’s finally official. Baez is an idiot. Nuff said!
People are arrested because there is probable cause. Saying there wasn’t enough forensic evidence to substantiate the charge is absurd.
But according to LE there was adequate evidence to arrest and charge the defendant with murder but they didn’t-it was far better to simply get her off the streets. The Bond was set at 500K because the Judge felt she was dangerous and a flight risk.
There was a child missing and a car smelling like decomposition and a mother who when asked who she talked to about the loss of her child rattled off a bunch of pretend friends. The mother never called police. It was obvious to first responders that a crime had been committed. They didn’t need extensive forensic evidence in order to arrest and incarcerate her on July 17, 2008 but a car smelling like “a dead body” is rather compelling.
Not to split hairs, but the fact that someone was arrested does not necessarily prove probable cause.
My uncle (who was my inspiration to become a lawyer) represented a teenage boy who was having a playful water fight with his friends at the beach on a Saturday afternoon. They were running around throwing water balloons, tossing water from buckets, and squirting water from “water wienies.” At some point, one of the boys accidentally or intentionally squirted a patrol officer with water from a water wienie. The angry officer arrested the boy for felony Assault with a Deadly Weapon because jail policy prohibits arresting juveniles on weekends unless they are being charged with a felony to avoid keeping juveniles in the jail overnight for minor offenses because they cannot be arraigned until Monday morning.
In the meantime, shortly after the boy had been arrested, the boy’s father hired my uncle to represent the boy. My uncle appeared at the arraignment bright and early Monday morning and, unsurprisingly, got the charges dropped. Surprisingly, the patrol officer also showed up to argue that the charges should NOT be dropped but the DA handling the file recognized that the patrol officer was not made of sugar and would not melt from a little bit of water being squirted on him.
You have got to be kidding me!! Unbelievable!
Kat- This is what I know about probable cause. When a person is arrested it is based on the officer’s ability to reasonably and prudently look at the facts and circumstances and assess whether the person committed a crime, is committing a crime or is about to commit a crime. Where there are grounds for suspicion that a person has committed a crime the public justice and the good of the community require the matter should be examined….(LexiLaw/FindLaw)
Arresting a child for felony assault with a deadly weapon who is in a public pool with water balloons and a water weinie (water gun?) is not reasonable or prudent. There certainly is lots of probable cause to give that officer a much needed day off and reassignment to desk duty.
I’m sure if this were the case, Dr. Henry Lee would not have quit the defense team.
jon,
Oh, boy, you are so correct! Dr. Lee knows when he has a fighting chance, and he knew he had no fight in this case! Everyone has left Baez in the dust. LOL!!
I think it could have been the money also, but I think his ego is so big that he didn’t want to be associated with a case that was lost; might have tarnished his reputation that he wouldn’t be able to sway the jury with his expert testimony.
jon,
I agree. He glows here in Los Angeles, and I think the “work for oranges” comment from Mason did not sit well with him.
My opinion only. Dr Lee did not comply because of $$$$. He wasn’t paid so he wasn’t going to testify.
Of course. Dr. Lee only corrupts justice for money.
Wow…good article!! Darn right Anon, she was a flight risk! There is no telling what Cindy would have done if Casey wasn’t indicted. Maybe she can join Vandersloot in Peru 🙂
The Anthony’s considered Casey enough of a flight risk that they removed the battery from the Pontiac
LOL!!!! Georgie needed it in his truck to tow around that Caylee billboard. He’s just a gigolo, everywhere he goes………
What is this special from Pipitone that is supposed to air?? Some information noone has been privy to before??? Oh, God….here we go!
There’s a lot baez doesn’t know!
There is a big reason dr. lee is no longer a witness or on this case!
what a strange thing to say that the only 2 people she told about caylee missing were the 2 nonexistant “friends”. she claims she did not trust LE, she did not tell her loving & supportive family her closest friends or her boyfriend. yet she felt comfortable telling 2 office associates/friends. she may have thought it would sound more believable that she had “really” told someone about it knowing they would never be found but this was just to be proven to be another lie.
Yes, Molly, and Zuben is still looking for them. Jeffrey and Juliette….come out, come out where ever you are.
Yea two offices associates from an office she didn’t have !
venice – I thought Z had “found” one of them! lol
kim – good point about the battery!
He has?? Last I read, he had it pinned down to two databases, one being for illegals in Puerto Rico.
ORLANDO, Fla. — Local 6 investigative reporter Tony Pipitone will offer an exclusive report Thursday on newly uncovered information in the Casey Anthony murder case.
Pipitone is still poring over the information, which centers on what is being said and done behind closed doors in the case against Anthony, and will offer his full report at 11 p.m. Thursday.
Pipitone said the information goes to the heart of Anthony’s upcoming murder trial, including questions being raised by lawyers in the case. The information reveals what testimony both sides will have at their disposal when the trial begins in May.
“We have some information that hasn’t become public about what both sides in the case are asking when they’re questioning witnesses,” Pipitone said.
Pipitone’s report will reveal details about the events of December 2008 and the discovery of skeletonized remains later found to be Caylee Anthony.
Pipitone said some of the information reinforces the state’s contention that Caylee’s death was a homicide, but other portions of the information raise questions about some alternative theories and the specter of some evidence being staged.
“It’s going to air at 11 tonight — come hell or high water,” Pipitone said.
Anthony, 24, is jailed on first-degree murder charges in the death of her daughter, Caylee, whose remains were found in a wooded lot near the Anthony family home. Anthony has pleaded not guilty. Watch Local 6 News for more on this story
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/26980723/detail.html
I’m sorry, but this guy should not say a word!! Orlando stinks! Staged by LE?? No way. Oh, boy, the mission will be a flame tomorrow.
I left a comment about this story on the last thread.
I find Pipitone and Local 6 to be repulsive in their use of the death of Caylee Anthony to attempt to spike ratings during February.
DISGUSTING! Orlando stinks!!
If it wasn’t homicide, I’m dying to know how she ended up in that trunk. If it was any sort of “accident”, even Baez would of tried to plead it out.
‘…the specter of some evidence being staged.”= Everything The Defense has no answer for/ Baez making accusations just vague enough not to get him into trouble
Somebody knows he’s not getting his Jury moved.
Maybe toddler suicide is up?
Oh, that was a terrible mental image!! NEW THOUGHT. NEW THOUGHT.
Also dying to know how the Duct Tape was applied to her face.
Caylee got fruschtrated with the pink/yellow bag ties and decided duct tape would work best
Well, why don’t we just ask Snoop @ the mission about it. She said she spoke with Caylee Antony not once, but twice. Twice? Really? What did they talk about? Her shoes and her books??
Humble stated there is a 8:45am hearing tomorrow. Is there?
Does she have a link – I can’t find anything
Great read (as always) *Bull
From what we know already, it seems like Casey never really thought it all out beforehand. For her to say that she was so afraid of the local police (getting them involved) fear of Caylee getting hurt/fear of the unknown, but YET when Cindy called the police, Casey never screamed…..Nooooo, they will hurt Caylee. She came to the phone… (sounding bored) and talked calmly to 911.
Diana – do you see that as a surrender by Casey to her mother?
I think KC didn’t need to plan it out before. She has told stories her entire life and everyone believed her so why not the police? Big slip….they were not her parents or a boy she could wink at to get what she wanted….She leads to me to believe that the short time she has been on this earth anyone would believe her….
I completely agree that Casey was convinced her lies would be accepted as truth – if not Mom would handle the fall out, as always
So true. Remember when she told LE “oh, I know. I wish there was more I could help you with, but literally my hands are tied”. LOL!!!!
Jose’s latest bar complaint is not about misrepresenting facts to the judge, but is about “ethics or misrepresentation”.
http://www.wftv.com/news/26876699/detail.html
Hmmm… wonder if his mortgage lender is filing a complaint about his claims about his inability to pay or the ethics of not paying a signed mortgage?
Bull,
So “ethics or misrepresentation” is not lying? Time for me to pull out a dictionary or go back to school…..
or his child support for one child.
Here is some interesting information about filing a Florida Bar complaint and their procedures:
http://www.floridabar.org/TFB/TFBResources.nsf/Attachments/AB230E7DCCC3B75385256B29004BD6DC/$FILE/Inquiry%20Complaint%20Form.pdf?OpenElement
Thanks Bull stopper..another great article… I completely agree… And I believe ALL of the defense atty’s, KNOW that this chick killed her baby, Caylee…
Diane,, great point…. If she was truly afraid,, she would have done just as you said… but, NO,, she actually says….. Why do they want to talk to me????
Local 6 “uncovers” new information in the Anthony Case?…
Looks like this is more about “Tony Pipitone” than anything else. Argh….another ratings grab and another reporter trampling on a tiny victims’s right to dignity, integrity and honour in death. How many times will Tony Pipitone speak CAYLEE’S name in his “exclusive” tonight?
WHY in God’s Holy Name is this the “Case Against Casey” on the telly and not simply “CAYLEE’S Right to Justice??!”. I’m still holding out hope that CAYLEE will be front and center as the focal point in this trial. ~And I’ll be reading here of course as I think you’re just brilliant, Bull! Thanks for all you do.
P.S. If Baez did go to his “unique opportunity”, I hope he is having a blast in the windy city getting laughed at and ignored by experts. The defense is a joke. An utter joke. Casey is guilty. She will be found as such and this circus will finally end and JUSTICE will be delivered to the only person in this case who truly matters–the victim, CAYLEE Anthony.
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Shame on that weasel reporter! He had nothing but hot air and a chance to feel important. Big news??? NOT!!! LOL!!!
p.s.
it looks like they are going with an accidental drowning. So, after Kronk, the Grunds, Amy, Tony, LE, the FBI, the Medical Examiner, and not finding the invisible nanny…they are exhausted. All that slander, and for what???? SHAME ON THEM!!!
Oh Dear God!! An accidental drowning theory from the defense?? I agree with you—>Shame on them!!
With EVERYTHING this jury is going to hear about, witness with their own eyes (!), etc., etc….NO DOUBTS here they will return a guilty conviction in record time. Each and every single juror (if sincere about their duties) is going to despise and abhor this defendant. Disgusting reptile, that inmate and her “team”. 😦
Good Morning Zoe, et al-I wasn’t surprised that the cod was the main focus of this story. All of us at Bullstopper discussed these very issues on February 3,2011-see the Dr Spitz piece.
I had an opinion since I first read the autopsy report about how Caylee might have died and after listening to Dr G I think it crossed her mind as well. It can never be proven but it is a possibility. The black bags were in the garage as were the tape and the laundry hamper. The car was more than likely in the garage. I believe that is where the crime took place-the trunk.
YES! I share your opinion re: the Ant home GARAGE being a likely location where poor Caylee met with homicidal violance and was murdered (courtesy of the heartless, evil defendent).
The scientific evidence WILL come in. It’s the heart of the case. This is 2011 people…..and Oak Ridge Lab will back up my statement!!
This post will be my only comment on Pipitone’s story.
I am disgusted by Local 6’s actions in bringing this news story to the public, which has very little news. However, there is some information worth review, so here is the link so you can read it and watch it yourself:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/26989474/detail.html
The gist of the article is Pipitone believes Ashton will focus on the duct tape and suffocation as the weapon and method of murder. He believes the defense will focus on an “accidental” drowning.
The best part is at the end when Mason asked if there was any indication it wasn’t a drowning.
I think another excellent question, which perhaps the prosecution will ask during trial, would be is there any indication if it was a drowning, it was not a murder? If someone drowns another person, especially a smaller, weaker person, it is murder.
However, the most important thing to note about the story is the depositions Pipitone claims to have read have not been publicly released. So, who gave them to Pipitone?
The story makes it clear the questioning went from Mason, to Ashton, then back to Mason, indicating this was a defense deposition. The date of the deposition also indicates a defense deposition as it was late last year.
So, who gave the deposition to the news station, a member of the local news media the defense swears causes the public to hate KC? D-E-F-E-N-S-E
EXACTLY! The defense is keeping this spun through the media. NOT the State. The State has their case and they will get a conviction! It’s time to put this case on a shelf in the clerks office and leave it there.
I AGREE!
Here is an example of how statements by the news media must be measured against other reports as in this one story, the facts appear to be different or spun for various reasons.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/26981959/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/news/26982647/detail.html
Both stories are about the same event. One has actual quotes. The story is bizarre.
Do you believe this woman is telling the truth?
http://humbleopinionforum.net/2011/02/24/is-jose-baez-an-unlawful-speeder-he-gets-another-ticket/
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Bull-Lots of things sound very strange. A reservation clerk meets and greets the guests, takes them out to the park, returns them to the hotel and stays to watch both the TV and the guests sleep. Sounds nutty to me.
I just watched the hearing on In Session, and Ms. Burdick called out Baez on his slander of Sylvia Hernandez. LOVED IT! He has got some fricking NERVE!
This trial will go forward. No matter what Mr Baez says there is always a ready answer from Judge Perry. He is certainly guiding Mr Baez through pretrial. I don’t see him changing his tune anytime soon. Ms Anthony will have her day in court.
I loved it when Judge Perry stated “May will be here before we know it”, and he looked right AT BAEZ! LOL!
If they go with accidental drowning, Casey must, WILL HAVE TO take the stand. She must explain what she was doing and how it happened. Will her attorney be that dumb? Well have to wait and see. “UGLY COPING”
Boy oh boy, Baez has screwed Casey from the beginning. “my client is innocent” per Baez. I should make him a plaque stating this and send it to him. It will be something to hang in his office, so everyone can see his outstanding work!
So Caylee “drowned” by “accident”. Ok. And then Ms. Anthony duct taped her mouth because, well………
Are they going to claim she drowned in a random body of water, because a pool would leave traces of pool chemicals, unless it her little remains were to degraded? Wasn’t the clothing still identifiable? It would show the type of (non-existant) water she (wasn’t) in.
Casey having to go on the stand would be a disaster. She might lie often but she doesn’t do it well. She was a rambling mess in those interviews with LE. On the witness stand, forced to actually look someone in the eye, not groom herself compulsively, and not be able to call things off once she knows no one believes her……
Here’s hoping they go for it.
I’d pay money to Baez to put Casey on the stand, and not the JAC rates! He needs money, right?? Hey Shiester….call me 🙂
Personally, I think it is very nice of the defense to do the hard work of identifying the exact cause of death for the jury as it will be all the easier for them to reconcile in their own minds the manner of death, homicide, with a now known cause.
For all his vaunted experience, Mason must be a complete idiot to address the area of cause at all as an unidentified and unidentifiable cause of death would be far more helpful to the defense.
She drowned – murder.
She suffocated – murder.
She died in the trunk – murder.
She died when her mom wasn’t watching her but had left her with a handful of razor blades and a bottle full of sleeping pills, outside a vacant apartment in the middle of Orlando – murder.
She fell off a high ledge like at an apartment building – murder.
I say let Mason get down to the nitty gritty and tell us exactly how Caylee died, so the prosecution will have an easier time relating it back to murder.
Spot on once again Bull. Excellence in every post. Same with the dialogue of readers too.
I don’t think anyone really wants to say anything they cannot prove but it more than likely crossed their mind that the victim simply expired in the trunk. No agonal breathing or sounds of struggle. The vehicle was probably in motion.
I so enjoy your articles bullstopper and these comments you have made were priceless. I shared them on topix and I also linked your site and told them about your great statement analysis. I only copied some of your comments though and asked them to come to your site to read your analysis- I hope that is ok.
As discussed in the most recent court hearing in the Casey Anthony case the Honorable Judge Perry made a very clear utterly succinct ruling regarding the disclosure of details surrounding the content of the defense expert witness testimony..Jose Baez has until 4 pm tomorrow December 3rd to submit to the State of Florida details surrounding what the defense experts are going to testify to at trial. This type of rule is a common one within the rules of discovery in criminal cases in the state of Florida..So what does Baez submit to the State? A LIST of names addresses and phone numbers of the expert witnesses!.Assistant State Attorney Jeffrey Ashton responding to what is sent attempts to clarify to Baez what the court intended when it made its ruling on Monday of this week..He wrote to Baez .That is not what the judge ordered. Thank you..To which Baez replies .You know what are sic all of the forensic issues are. If you have a question about any particular witness just ask and I will be more than happy to answer it. sentence blacked out .Just ask me what you want to know..I clearly remember Baez saying the exact same thing in open court and the Judge responded pointedly that the defense MUST respond in writing with the intent and subject matter surrounding the TESTIMONY of the expert witnesses!.Is Baez daft? Did he not listen or does he simply not follow the rules? Is he that bold that he would deliberately do the exact opposite of what the Judge ordered? What a NERVE!.And not only does he not respond as requested when he DOES respond what does he say in an email to Ashton? Over and over he repeats the phrase you know this with regards to a expert name on the list. The tenor and tone of the email response is utterly condescending!.Heres a sample of what Baez sends to Ashton this is how he follows the courts orders .
JB is nothing but a juvenile playing a game,He brown noses when he has too otherwise it’s a game to him!
This video shows his actions are not appropriate and just how serious he takes the case!
It is so obvious to watch him and kc from the mark 2:49!
Watch caseys hands direct him first to the left,then to the right…and he blocks the cam while she thinks she’s getting away with giving the court the finger! While they laugh!
It is soooooooooo Obvious!
JB this is Caylee’s justice and not a dang playground for you and your snickers and games with the mother of a child whose dead!
You are the lowest form of life there possibly can ever be……jmo!
http://www.youtube.com/user/S0meRand0mName#p/u/17/xTyyQCfo1bg