What Do the Stone Pavers Mean to Jose Baez?

20 Mar

During a deposition of botanist Jane Bock on February 12, 2011, defense attorney Jose Baez brought up the issue of stone pavers even though they had never been mentioned by the witness in response to any questions by the prosecution.  The statements of Mr. Baez may be read at the following link.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/27085571/detail.html

Jeff Ashton: “I mean, I wasn’t there, but it appears from this photograph that the log was slightly raised above the ground, which you can’t really appreciate in the other photographs, but –”

It appears the remains of murdered Caylee Anthony were found in the vicinity of a fallen log, which the prosecution believes to have been at a higher elevation than the plastic bag full of human remains.  Part of the log appears in the photographs and by the statements of forensic investigators to have been raised off the ground.  Mr. Ashton’s statement is weak because of his admission he “wasn’t there”, but he clarifies he is relying upon the photographic evidence.

Jose Baez: “I think for clarification purposes, we should just make sure that the record’s clear that only a small portion of the tree or log is shown.  We don’t know if it’s propped up against something to make it in the air or –”

For some reason, Mr. Baez feels it is important to establish the log does not rise above the ground because of the slope of the land, but because it is “propped”.  He does this by introducing the the possibility it may be “propped up against something to make it in the air” and limiting his statement to only the photograph being shown at the time of the question, even though it was established hundreds to thousands of photographs of the crime scene exist as part of the evidence record.

Jeff Ashton: “My understanding… first of all, let me say this photograph is 196008.  My understanding from the crime scene technician is it’s not.  This is how it appeared.  The log is slightly above the ground at that particular point, I believe.”

Mr. Ashton catches on to the limiting of Mr. Baez’s statement to this particular photograph and states the number of the photo for the court record.

Jose Baez: “But if you can see on the very left, there are those stone pavers, the famous stone pavers there.”

Mr. Baez now introduces the “stone pavers, the famous stone pavers”.  Why does Mr. Baez believe the “stone pavers” are “famous”?  The pavers are only famous because the private investigator, Dominic Casey, searched the wooded area near the vicinity of the discovery site prior to the discovery looking for “stone pavers”.  Mr. Casey claimed he was told by a psychic the body would be found near “stone pavers”.  Now, Mr. Baez points out “stone pavers” were, in fact, near the body.

To review, Mr. Baez is telling the court “stone pavers”, the very “stone pavers” which his private investigator sought in the months prior to Caylee Anthony’s discovery, the “stone pavers” made famous by the release of the video of Mr. Casey’s search and his subsequent police interview, were found near the remains.  Mr. Baez is telling the court in no uncertain terms his private investigator did have knowledge of both the location of the body and the items in the immediate vicinity.  Does Mr. Baez believe his revelation will be helpful to the defense?  Does it not seem to verify Mr. Casey had knowledge about the crime scene he could only have obtained either directly or indirectly, perhaps through a defendant’s trusted attorney, from the person who placed the body at the location?

Jeff Ashton: “I’m not sure what that is.”

Mr. Ashton placed no significance on the “stone pavers” until they were brought up by Mr.Baez.  This may have been an official Jose Baez Moment of D’uh (my thanks to regular reader Zoe for this elegant turn of phrase).

Jose Baez: “I believe that’s what it is, from my review of the evidence.”

Mr. Baez insists these are the “famous stone pavers”, but qualifies his conclusion is based upon “my review of the evidence”, not his personal knowledge of items in the area gleaned from his client.  Oddly, Mr. Baez distances himself from the pavers with “that”, even though he broached this subject.

Jeff Ashton: “Okay.  Why are you saying this right now?”

Mr. Ashton is now intrigued by the reasoning behind Mr. Baez speaking about the “famous stone pavers” during a deposition revolving around plant life at the discovery site.  Mr. Ashton is most likely confused as to the botanical relevance of the “famous stone pavers”.  Is Mr. Baez trying to say the “famous stone pavers” were holding the log off the ground?

Jose Baez: “The reason is that you’re asking the witness to make a conclusion that the skull is underneath the tree or the log.”

Mr. Baez reveals he has no idea where Mr. Ashton is going with this line of questioning concerning the log.  Mr. Baez is attempting to refute a conclusion Mr. Ashton has not stated and does not plan to state.

Jeff Ashton: “No, no, no.  I wasn’t asking that at all.”

Jose Baez: “Let me finish for the court reporter.  And you’re making the assertion based on your research of the evidence that there is nothing propping up the tree or the log, and that’s all I want to make clear.  Of course, you’re free to ask the question however you want, but I don’t think that conclusion could be made by that photograph.”

Mr. Baez, the great interrupter, chides Mr. Ashton for not allowing him to “finish”.  It is of great importance to Mr. Baez to demonstrate something was propping up the log.  Why?  Again, Mr. Baez limits his statement to “that photograph”, a photo Mr. Baez distances himself from, a photo he does not like.  However, he also admits a conclusion the log is not propped up is “based on your research of the evidence”, not a single photograph.

Jeff Ashton: “No, no.  And I was indicating the evidence indicated, if I recall it correctly, is that, I believe, that the log is not moved here, that it is actually… I don’t want… it’s not under the log as if the log came down.  It’s just, it’s lower than the log was my understanding.  And I didn’t know if that was…”

In order for Mr. Baez to follow the course of the deposition, Mr. Ashton must break down his objective into simple terms.  “The log is not moved here”.  The log is in this position because this is where it came to rest in the course of it’s natural life cycle, not due to human interference.  There is a slope to the land which places the remains at a lower elevation than the log.

We have learned Mr. Baez is not able to perceive the direction or objective of a line of questioning by the prosecution, a professional failing also demonstrated during the most recent hearings.

We have learned Mr. Baez wants a jury to believe the log is propped up, perhaps to later argue the bag was not underwater.

We have learned the “famous stone pavers” are so important to Mr. Baez, he felt a need to point them out during a botanical evidence deposition even though they had nothing to do with either plants or propping up the log.

We have learned the private investigator employed by Mr. Baez sought the “famous stone pavers” and such pavers do exist, at least in the mind of Mr. Baez, near the site of the discovery of two-year-old Caylee Anthony’s earthly remains.

53 Responses to “What Do the Stone Pavers Mean to Jose Baez?”

  1. Venice March 20, 2011 at 11:52 am #

    ahhhhh, the very beginning of the case when life was good, the tequila flowed, the yachts sailed, and the talk-shows blasted his fat a** across the nation.

  2. Kim March 20, 2011 at 12:02 pm #

    Snipped:
    We have learned Mr. Baez is not able to perceive the direction or objective of a line of questioning by the prosecution, a professional failing also demonstrated during the most recent hearings.

    This will be major during trial. Will Judge Perry continue to school Baez then on proper form and manner?

  3. Zoe March 20, 2011 at 12:12 pm #

    Great picture you posted, Bull! hehehe….

    Naturally, the conspiracy-theorists have already jumped upon the (incorrect) notion that the log was “propped” or “moved” by those out to frame Casey. LOLOL!!
    Whatever. Good catch by you of the depo exchange. Baez is as desperate as it gets. It will be mildly painful (yet amusing) to watch him in this week’s hearings.

    Beware the magical moving logs!!!!!!

  4. seemeatthebeach March 20, 2011 at 1:04 pm #

    Could you send this picture to Linda Drane-Burdick???
    LOL

    • Venice March 20, 2011 at 1:34 pm #

      Hi seemeatthebeach! Are you from L.A.?

      • seemeatthebeach March 20, 2011 at 2:14 pm #

        No, Venice…..I’m from Pennsylvania.

  5. Zoe March 20, 2011 at 2:14 pm #

    Just speculation, but I believe Dom Casey was told/directed where to look for Caylee’s remains. I think Cindy and Lee were well aware of the dump site (Casey told them). I am not sure about George.
    I think Cindy and Lee wanted Dom Casey to try and tamper with/plant false evidence on the remains in an effort to help Casey. Thankfully, it would appear Dom never found the site (he was off by 50-60 ft. or so). Thank goodness for Roy Kronk and his discovery!!!! I can’t stand to see this poor man so vilified by a few nasty bloggers (and crooked lawyers).

    • Kim March 20, 2011 at 2:15 pm #

      The way D Casey was poking and jabbing the earth and dredging with that hand spade made me realize he wasn’t there to tamper with evidence. He was there to destroy it

      • Zoe March 20, 2011 at 2:18 pm #

        I agree with you there! Remember him slashing through all the garbage bags??? Who told him to open up and look in trash bags????

      • bullstopper March 20, 2011 at 4:17 pm #

        I tend to believe he was there to plant evidence. DNA evidence. I used to think Grund evidence, but I am leaning more towards Lee evidence now.

        Ever wonder why Dom was so friendly with Lee? Perhaps for opportunities to pick up DNA evidence?

        We now know the shorts contained no DNA evidence, yet Baez seemed convinced they did. Whose DNA did he think was on them?

        This also brings us to the duct tape. Spitz entire line of reasoning revolves around there being no Caylee DNA on the tape. But there was no Caylee DNA on the shorts either. Does that mean she never wore the shorts? Or does it mean DNA is at least as fragile as the cotton which the tape was made of and disintegrated just as the cotton fibers did?

    • Zoe March 20, 2011 at 2:17 pm #

      I also hope Dom Casey spilled the beans on Jose, Cindy and the others who conspired to tamper with evidence and thwart the investigation. I believe he participated in a SAO investigative deposition that we are not privy to at this point (on going investigation).

      • Kim March 20, 2011 at 2:30 pm #

        I hope he spilled his guts too otherwise Rosebud will aim her beady glare in his direction and that can’t be good

      • bullstopper March 20, 2011 at 4:19 pm #

        I think if he had spilled anything like that, they would all be in jail at this moment.

        It does make you wonder about the hold Jose has over Dom. He never paid the man, yet Dom did everything he could not to incriminate either himself or Jose.

    • Venice March 20, 2011 at 2:22 pm #

      George knew as well. Remember when Nancy Grace reported that George was seen just standing at the site staring into the woods. That spineless jellyfish knew.

      • Kim March 20, 2011 at 2:35 pm #

        I am torn on that. I think he had strong suspisions because he knows Casey but I also think his wife knows him and wouldn’t tell him for fear he would sneak off to the cops again

      • bullstopper March 20, 2011 at 4:21 pm #

        I have looked forever and cannot find it now, but early in the case, I read an article where George was quoted saying he looked up into the stars each night knowing Caylee was “out there” looking at the same stars. It didn’t mean anything to me until they found the body.

    • bullstopper March 20, 2011 at 4:13 pm #

      He was off by 50-60 ft in the video. We have no idea how many time he visited the site.

      Remember, Baez is absolutely convinced there is exculpatory evidence at the site which the state never released. How would he know about this evidence?

      • Kim March 20, 2011 at 4:22 pm #

        How could he know that since if I remember correctly – he never went there

  6. purrwannamama March 20, 2011 at 4:09 pm #

    Hello everybody I love this site and the great comments.I’ve been a 3yr lurker but i’ve found myself having to comment on the above picture..I think ‘Bull’ has outdone himself with the this…I can’t look at it without hearing seagulls and waves slapping on the shore..you know how they say a picture is worth a thousand words? Why do i find myself trying to mentally undress them?? Aghhhh!! mama for Caylee~~

    • bullstopper March 20, 2011 at 4:25 pm #

      I have to come clean and admit this pic was found and posted at one of the great sites which consistently posts links to my articles for their readers.

      Due to personal time constraints, I do depend a lot on the great researchers who populate the many blogs searching for justice for Caylee.

      • Kim March 20, 2011 at 4:28 pm #

        Where ever it came from – thanks for the chuckle, Bull

  7. bullstopper March 20, 2011 at 4:50 pm #

    For anyone who does not know, the man in the pic with Jose is Todd Macaluso.

    Although the pic is there as a joke about Jose and his buddy, who it recently came out in a depo was filmed and posted on YouTube running naked on a beach with another naked man, he is important to this case.

    If you are following this case, you should know at least 3 things about Todd:

    1) He donated $70,000 to KC’s defense fund, dollars which remain unaccounted for to the public. Suspiciously, he was later found by the California Bar to be guilty of misappropriating more than twice this amount from funds which were not his. Where I come from, we call it theft. Apparently, the Cali Bar is a lot more lenient than I. Did Jose return any of these possibly tainted funds?

    2) Todd appeared on a nationally televised program, I believe the Today Show (but I can’t swear to which one) with Linda Kenney Baden and announced after LKB misrepresented an incomplete piece of DNA found on the tape as DNA from an unidentified individual, “a stranger, a stranger did it”.

    3) Todd stood up during a court hearing and announced to the judge the defense had found evidence Caylee’s body had been moved to the discovery site after KC was jailed for check fraud. This caused an instant firestorm with the prosecution demanding any evidence of such an event be immediately turned over to law enforcement for investigation. No such evidence was ever revealed and much back-pedaling by other defense members ensued.

  8. Kim March 20, 2011 at 5:02 pm #

    hehehe

    #3 – good times

  9. MB March 20, 2011 at 5:25 pm #

    bullstopper said: I have to come clean and admit this pic was found and posted at one of the great sites which consistently posts links to my articles for their readers.

    I am not familiar with a lot of the Caylee sites. The site you refer to in the above quote appeals to me. Please post a link, if possible.

    • bullstopper March 20, 2011 at 6:02 pm #

      There are a lot of good ones.

      Best way to find them is to google bullstopper, then limit the results using the sidebar tools to the last 24 hours. Anyone who posted my article from today will show up. They are all excellent sites.

      I would also recommend (google these):

      Niecey456
      Hinkymeter
      HumbleOpinion

      and last, but far from least – Eggtreenews – where all the news is served sunny side up.

      • Venice March 20, 2011 at 6:23 pm #

        with a big piece of Baez Pork on the side.

      • MB March 20, 2011 at 7:09 pm #

        TY.

        BTW – I really like your common sense and wit.

  10. shyloh March 20, 2011 at 6:57 pm #

    I have read that video of Todd in the birthday suit was with his NOW deceased brother. I can still picture his jelly butt flapping in the wind. SORRY. I wasn’t impressed with either butt.. BUT, thinking of Domonic Casey. Maybe he’ll be the fall guy. After all he was there and Caught on tape… Wouldn’t that be a laugh?

  11. 38special March 20, 2011 at 9:24 pm #

    Great article Bull!
    The picture of Baez & Macaluzo looks like they’re getting reading to bust out in song…”yo ho ho and a bottle of rum”…..good times eh boys?

    I agree, there had to be some reason for the relentless drive to bring the whole defense objective to the grave site. The water level insanity, Big Mac’s grand pronouncement, the magical drifting duct tape and this really curious interjection by Baez about the pavers & the log, all seem to be part of some Chardonnay inspired defense theory. That kind of thing always sounds so good when you’re 3 sheets to the wind but in the light of day, even with a raging hangover, you realize it’ll never fly. Not Baez, he just keeps on trying to perfect stupidity I think.

  12. bullstopper March 20, 2011 at 11:47 pm #

    The story of the beach video gets weirder and weirder.

    Here is the video, but know before you click, it doesn’t work anymore:

    Apparently, this MYFCHOPPER guy cut it off… wonder why?

    If you google MYFCHOPPER, you will find him all over the web. Here is a little bio about him:

    http://www.peekyou.com/tim_sears/21030364

    I heard the rumor about the other naked guy being Todd’s bro who later died, but I have found nothing to back that up.

    So, you got to wonder, is this the guy or did this guy film it?

    • 38special March 21, 2011 at 3:10 am #

      Hmmm…..Del mar..just an exit or two from TM’s stomping grounds of Carlsbad, plus the shirtless bio-pic on the link you posted. Another random free spirit? I’m going to vote he was part of the beach frolic.BadaBing

  13. Linda March 21, 2011 at 12:05 am #

    Hi Bull, I remember when Nancy Grace first started talking about this case, and she had a guy on that said he seen Casey walking out of some woods , she had parked on the side of the road, not a street with parking it looked more like a little highway, maybe on the way to the airport. Anyway he said Casey was walking out of the woods with a white bag slung over her shoulder, she was wearing a baseball cap and sunglasses. Thats where George was spotted, when the cops asked him what he was doing there he said he was looking to set up a new post. It was not Caylees final resting spot.

    • tellthetruthbozo March 21, 2011 at 4:11 am #

      Linda,
      IIRC, Brian Stotz (Stutz?) was driving through her neighborhood & saw her there…I thought she was jogging.

      He’s the friend-with-benefits who was out with friends when she came by his parents house & visited with them until he came home, then had her overnighter the next night at which time she planted…erm, left behind, a bag containing Caylee’s swim things. He brought this bag over to Cindy after Casey’s arrest when she asked Jesse G. to organize a meeting of Casey’s friends to develop a timeline, held at her house.

      I never understood why he didn’t drop that bag off to LE himself, since it might’ve contained evidence given that it was Caylee’s & she was “missing”(dead), except that he was a trusting soul who didn’t really know the psychopath Casey is, or the disordered pathological liar her mother is. jmho

  14. Peapods March 21, 2011 at 7:15 am #

    Baez may be revealing some of his defense. He is saying that pavers were used to prop up a log where Caylee was found. Pavers are heavy, not to mention out of place in the woods. Will his defense be that Casey wouldn’t have been able to carry a paver or pavers to the site? Just a thought.

    • Kim March 21, 2011 at 8:35 am #

      Caylee certainly couldn’t

  15. kmom March 21, 2011 at 7:51 am #

    And Baez stopped a proceeding because he wanted to get the image of Macaluso running naked on the beach out of his head? In the spirit of half truths that is the Anthony hallmark, perhaps this is the actual pic he was trying to erase.

    • Kim March 21, 2011 at 8:35 am #

      maybe he was jealous

  16. shyloh March 21, 2011 at 8:31 am #

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-02-15/news/os-casey-anthony-attorney-quits-defense-t20100215_1_defense-team-todd-macaluso-california-bar

    Macaluso denied any willful violation, blaming his staff and saying he was distracted and traumatized at the time by his brother’s death. Anthony is awaiting trial in the death of her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee, in 2008

  17. shyloh March 21, 2011 at 8:47 am #

    Here is another link but you must scroll down to read about it.

    http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2010/02/casey-anthony-macaluso-off-dream-team.html

  18. shyloh March 21, 2011 at 8:49 am #

    Hummm his brother passed in Dec. of 05.

    His major defense concerned his brother, who died in early December, 2005. In his reply, Macaluso stated the following, over and over:

    Now when was that video shot???…… OK I am done!!!

  19. Zoe March 21, 2011 at 11:33 am #

    You know….the defense sure invested a lot of time (PI time, media time) and (taxpayer) money in their “body placed in woods after Casey incarcerated” theory. It sure looks like that blown up in their face! Bull you bring up an excellent point: WHY was Baez so invested in his belief that exculpatory DNA evidence was going to be found on the remains??? Hmmmm……the plot thickens…..and I put NOTHING past that shyster Baez. He is as desperate and sneaky as they come.

    • Venice March 21, 2011 at 12:37 pm #

      Exactly Zoe!!
      I picture that shiester on all four, crawling through the woods, to tamper with the scene. Deceit is the only way Baez can communicate with other people. POOR POOR LIFE SKILLS!

  20. Katprint March 21, 2011 at 1:23 pm #

    The defense could spin the pavers to their advantage, if they admitted that Casey was the one who put Caylee’s body in the vacant lot.

    Instead of Casey murdering Caylee then carelessly dumping her dead body like trash, the defense could paint a picture of Casey being terrified of what Cindy and George would do to her if they found out that Casey had let Caylee die from some sort of accident or neglect. Casey borrowed the shovel from the neighbor, dug a shallow grave beneath a shady tree in the same general area where she had previously buried her beloved pets, carefully buried Caylee who had been painstakingly wrapped in the best protective materials that Casey had access to, and then she made a makeshift headstone from three stacked pavers. Maybe Casey even rolled a log over the grave to ensure Caylee wouldn’t be dug up by animals.

    Who knows? The story might even be true.

    • Katprint March 21, 2011 at 1:44 pm #

      I should have inserted a couple sentences about how major flooding caused the log to float off the shallow grave. Then the plastic bag containing/protecting Caylee’s remains floated up out of the shallow grave and was exposed to the elements of nature including plants and animals.

    • Kim March 21, 2011 at 1:45 pm #

      But Casey would have to get on the stand with any story change

    • 38special March 21, 2011 at 3:12 pm #

      The story might be true, could be true or simply presented as truth.
      At this point, it’s a good thing I would never be considered as a juror for this case! If the above scenario was trotted out with imaginary violins softly playing and Mason booming about the confused, frightened lil gal and Baez getting his smirk on giving chapter and verse about the tunnel vision of LE….I’d vote to convict her for the fact that she allowed the nation to worry for her child, she allowed strangers to donate a lot of money for a lie, she allowed her atty to investigate and publicly malign a LOT of innocent people, she allowed her atty to profit off the pix of her “accidentally” dead baby, she allowed the State of FL to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on a f*cking whim. I couldnt be trusted to follow jury instructions!

  21. kmom March 21, 2011 at 5:31 pm #

    38 Special- thanks for a spot-on take.

    What Casey, her parents, Baez and Mason, all fail to realize that there is no getting the toothpaste back in this tube.

    Casey’s lies, along with the lies of Cindy and George, will convict her, and they hate this. What’s more, their truth (the 911 call, the grand jury testimony, the smell in the car, etc) will also convict her.

    And, as if their collective mis-truths/half-truths were not enough, Baez has liberally applied his own moral and ethical bankruptcy to the entire Anthony pathology.

    A perfect storm is brewing and the only sea-worthy vessels in my opinion, belong to the SAO and HHJP.

    • Venice March 21, 2011 at 5:40 pm #

      Ohhh, I like that….”A Perfect Storm”. Excellent!

      • 38special March 21, 2011 at 6:01 pm #

        Me too…” A perfect Storm” is the best way to describe it. Excellent post kmom.

      • Venice March 21, 2011 at 7:21 pm #

        We all know how that movie tragically ended. Baez is a lousy Skipper.

  22. cecelia March 21, 2011 at 8:52 pm #

    Excellent article BullStopper!
    This is another blog site about justice for Caylee

    http://andreadreamin.com/

    • bullstopper March 21, 2011 at 9:29 pm #

      Yes, Andrea has an excellent ability to coherently and simply explain the complex processes involved in the legal system.

  23. kmom March 21, 2011 at 9:13 pm #

    Thanks guys for the nice comments.

    But Bull always gets good commentary and excellent posts on this site. When the smartest guy in the room owns the blog, it elevates everyone’s thinking. It is why I love reading here. Not to mention that I am frequently entertained by the posts. Case in point- “imaginary violins,” “…#3 good times,” “life was good… the tequila flowed,” and my new favorite Bullstopper pic at the top of the page! Love you Bull!

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